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‘77 T2 WITH POTENTIAL

Discussion in 'Buying and selling help' started by GeorgiT2, Dec 24, 2018.

  1. KahunaKombi

    KahunaKombi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Was informed once that some Baja owners go for the 1600 gearbox to allow taller rear tyres :rolleyes:
     
  2. tintop

    tintop Well-Known Member

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    i had a 3 rib mated to a 2 litre - great acceleration but revs were up a bit on the highway....ending up swapping in a spare 5 rib i had - acceptable all round...and yeah, there are other possibilites but both of those examples had an 091 bellhousing, input shaft, clutch and starter motor to suit the 2 litre.
     
  3. Wayne murray

    Wayne murray Well-Known Member

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    It seems odd not to many take a 2 litre out to put a 1600 gear box in,unless it was cheaper to buy a kombi take out what they need and resell it to unsuspecting person:eek:o_O
    yes I've also hear Baja people do that as well :( Good 1600 gear boxes being thrashed or trashed on dunes :mad:
     
  4. tintop

    tintop Well-Known Member

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    3 rib is definitely cheaper to put in - and there's more around IMG_20190107_144845.jpg

    this was also a kombi which had large rear wheels on it at some stage so it might have been done for a reason
     
  5. GeorgiT2

    GeorgiT2 Active Member

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    Copied. Good information. I think I’m done with this one. A good learning exercise. The lower range gearbox thing makes sense. I’d rather have highway tuned gearing than the option of smoking up rear tyres off the lights. Lol.
     
  6. Grantus

    Grantus Well-Known Member

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    It has been proven many times over the years.......... :rolleyes:

    Enjoy the hunt, so you can then enjoy the ride...............;)
     
  7. Deluxe

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    Hi. I am a long time member on here...I've been away overseas for a while but still keep my eye on things from time to time. This thread caught my eye....over the years I have done a couple of restorations on bay windows, the most thorough of which was a 77. Please don't take any of this in a negative manner, afterall it's your time and money.... but I just want to make sure that anyone 'looking for a project' goes into it with their eyes open as to cost and effort.
    My main advice would be to think very carefully about whether a project is a good idea vs paying more for a bus that has already had the work done...I guarantee that if you go down the path of the latter (and are patient in your search) you will save yourself a chunk of money and a hell of a lot of time compared to tackling a project. Projects always start with a budget in mind but I would say (at a guess) that you will spend at least 3 times what you anticipated when you started. Sure, I can see the appeal of putting in money and time slowly over the course of a 2-3 year project but ultimately I think it's a false economy.
    My numbers are out of date and some are pulled out of thin air...and I don't know what level of restoration you are looking to undertake...but on buses like the one in this thread you need to think of all the parts that are going to need to go into it starting at the front bumper and finishing at the rear, as well as bodywork, paint etc.
    On any bus in this kind of condition, starting on the front beam I would guess that you'd need to do ball joints, rubber stops and bushes, brake discs, wheel bearings, overhaul calipers ($300-400 per pair), pads, lines, shocks, tie rids & ends, tyres, possibly overhaul steering box...I reckon that little lot would cost you $2000 and that's assuming most of those will be installed by you i.e. no labour costs. There might also be the need to source new trailing arms depending on wear.
    Brake booster and master cylinder might require replacement or overhaul at say another $500+
    I'd be replacing all of the fuel lines straight away $200+
    Window, door, engine hatch rubber seals likely might need replacing... depending if you want/need chrome inserts I'd say $1000-1500 but I might be a little high there.
    Gearbox may or may not need doing... eventually it will and due to the special tools needed it really does need to go to a specialist...$2000-3000 I reckon.
    Engine...if you can build it yourself I reckon parts would still be the best part of $3000-4000 including machining, oil, ancillaries etc. Throw a new exhaust in there too as you'll want to make sure your new engine has the best chance of keeping cool. Then there's the carbies that most people forget to take into account when rebuilding an engine - price varies depending on what needs doing. Heater boxes are often rusted out and hard to replace - when I was looking at them a few years ago there were only 'cheap' Dansk boxes available but I think a pair of those is over $500
    You might need to get the starter motor overhauled as well as the alternator...again probably $200-300 each.
    CV joints will likely need doing and you only want to get the good GKN Lobro ones which will set you back $300-400 a set of 4. Rear shocks, brake drums, hoses, shoes, fitting kits, cylinders, wheel bearings, tyres... probably another $1000-1500 there in parts alone.

    Interior...if seats need retrimming (again I'd say a job for a specialist) you're looking at $1000-2000 for the covers and pads plus any labour.

    Panel...either LOTS of $ or if you are skilled, lots of time. Replacement panels are relatively cheap but soon add up.

    Paint...materials, booth hire etc anywhere upwards of $2000. Ok, you might think now that you won't want to paint your bus but at some point it will be something that will cross your mind and with that comes more work as you uncover what lurks beneath.

    Then there's your initial purchase price and all of the bits I've forgotten...add it all up and you're probably at $30k and that's with practically zero labour. Some/lots/most you can do yourself but why spend hundreds of hours doing the work when you see some genuinely good examples with all/most of the above done for $30-40k? Sure you need to apply caution and common sense when shopping for a 'restored' bus and sure there are still gems out there that can be snapped up for $10k that are all original and need little doing mechanically but they are few and far between. I don't think Gumtree is the best place to look these days, ask around locally, look on all of the forums, check the local paper etc.

    My best advice of all would be to buy a late model T3...I guarantee you would get far more bang for your buck and probably more safety for you and your family.

    Just my 2c
     
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  8. Deluxe

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    Plus I forgot the hassles, expense of registering/ compliancing a bus that's been off the road...another $1000+
     
  9. GeorgiT2

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    Oh dear. Sobering and probably not far off the mark.
     
  10. oldman

    oldman Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Sobering and realistic......
    All depends on your capabilities. Some folks see a project as fitting out the interior, others see a general tidy up and a new set of tyres as a project.......others will take on a rustbucket with relish and turnout a concourse vehicle.
    Plenty of rusty kombis out there that have been resprayed without the proper prep. work.......they are the ones to avaoid.
    A good honest bus with minimal rust is what you should be looking for in my opinion.....Body condition (rustwise) should be your priority......mechanicals are cheap compared to proper rust removal, panel and paintwork. A bus like this will not be cheap.......currently starting around $25k unless you have inside knowledge on a retired couple selling theirs....
    Good luck with the quest.
    Cheers,
    Mark
     
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  11. KahunaKombi

    KahunaKombi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Pictures do not tell the story of a thousand words when it comes to buying a Kombi :oops: ....... nor does a description paint a true picture :eek:
    Carsales is a place to also look and agree with Deluxe re Gumtree ;)
     
  12. tintop

    tintop Well-Known Member

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    GeorgiT2 - PM sent from retired couple :)
     
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  13. Deluxe

    Deluxe Active Member

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    I don't know this vehicle but the seller is well respected on the forum and knows what is important
    Might not be everyone's taste in colour or finish but I would be pretty confident that the work has been done to a quality standard
    $30k might sound a lot but I think this is great value and am surprised that it's still for sale - it's been for sale for a while so why not make an offer if you're interested?!
    http://forums.kombiclub.com/threads/myfanwy-for-sale.57650/

    Anyway, it gives you an idea of what you can get if you spend more up front
     
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  14. GeorgiT2

    GeorgiT2 Active Member

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    Good call Deluxe, this would be an ideal vehicle for my daughter. The blue tooth thingy alone would sell her straight away. I’ve got to be honest though, this is not near my budget at this stage, although it’s a vehicle I would buy with confidence and agree it’s value for money at the listed price.
     
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  15. GeorgiT2

    GeorgiT2 Active Member

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    At a more philosophical level, yes I could fund, purchase a completed Kombi and hand it to my daughter for her 18th. But in my case it defeats the purpose somewhat. The idea is she participates in the engineering and socialisation process, and we build something greater than the desirable Kombi at the finish line.
     
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  16. Deluxe

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    A fair point, well presented. Maybe I'm too practical in my thinking and years of working with Veedubs has taken some of the emotional magic out of it.
    Good luck in your quest. Sorry if I missed it in another thread but do seriously consider the T3's. Once you are sat in the drivers (or passengers) seat, the experience is much the same as a bay window and mechanically there are a lot of similarities whether you go for water or aircooled. I drove a T3 in Europe for the last year or so and loved it
     
  17. GeorgiT2

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    Right. The trick is get the project finished before my magic runs out. Yes, someone has suggested T3’s. Everything is on the table at this stage, especially now getting an understanding of costs.
     
  18. oldman

    oldman Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Did exactly this with my youngest....then 15yo. Bought it, repaired it and taught Kim how to drive in it. He spent the next few of years getting away on the weekends with mates to music festivals , the snow etc. and used it as his daily to and from school.
    He loves his Lowy and it is now getting some well earned attention for rust by someone who knows how to do it properly...(not me ! )
    I can highly recommend this experience as a bonding exercise and you'll find that you will escalate in status in your daughter's friends eyes too....:cool:
    ( It's nice to be the cool Dad !!)
    Cheers,
    Mark
     
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  19. Poptop

    Poptop Well-Known Member

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    I too am entering this stage with the electric Kombi no longer acceptable a request for a pink one has been made! I’ve got quite a few years before Inworry about painting one of mine LOL!

    GeorgiT2 if u need someone to come along for a second opinion and I’m available send me a message I live Clifton Hill.
     
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  20. 77/kombi/surfer

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    Good reply Deluxe.
    What your talking about is a restoration versus a refurbishment project which id say a high % of car forsale have just done whats necessary to get the car on the road. Not gone all out and replaced shocks, bearings, cvs, steering components, etc
    the new owner ends up doing that through breakdowns an rego checks during the usuage time which is costly but happens.
    So the reality is its a father , daughter project for time together. Great thing your planning on doing!
    Really just comes back too yours an your daughters available spare time, how long your thinking itll take to do, do you have the room to build/ work on it? Without cheesing off your neighbors. And the big one the skills an money of up to $40k+ to get it on the road.
    Also are you after a trophy winning finish or just a tidy clean looking car that you can use?
    Mark oldman qouted sober an realistic statement above is a reality check. Plenty have bought the big project dream an 5 years later on its still sitting in there garage unfinished an now up forsale trying to get back every cent but they tend to sell it for a loss to get the garage space back an keep the wifey happy.
    Cheers chuck
     

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