1/4 window blues

Discussion in 'Body' started by rstucke, Jun 8, 2017.

  1. rstucke

    rstucke Active Member

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    Hi
    Nearing the end of my resto and decided to replace my fixed front 1/4 windows with opening ones as the fixed ones were in pretty bad shape. So got some good 2nd hand ones, replaced the rubbers, fitted them and they're too short by more than 10mm, bugger!
    I've laid them on top of the old fixed 1/4's and sure enough too short.
    Has anyone had this problem and does anyone know if there is a different size opening 1/4 window that replace the late bay (79) fixed ones?

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  2. paul77

    paul77 Well-Known Member

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    Can you put up a picture of entire 1/4 window with ruler held against it? Window certainly looks authentic. Will compare to my bus tonight.
     
  3. rstucke

    rstucke Active Member

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    Hi paul77
    Sorry, I jumped the gun.
    I didn't realise that the 2 types of 1/4 windows sit in different ways.
    The frame of the fixed type sits inside the channel of the door at the top and bottom with the rubber flanges to suit the trim
    Where as the frame of the opening type sits a little higher at the bottom and level with the door channel at the top, the rubber flanges being higher and lower to meet the trim. So the fit with the trim in place ended up good
    Rick
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  4. paul77

    paul77 Well-Known Member

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    Such a fun job putting the doors back together NOT!!
     
  5. rstucke

    rstucke Active Member

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    What an absolutely horrible job. Took for ever to get everything to sit right.
    How the hell did they manage this on an assembly line.
     
  6. paul77

    paul77 Well-Known Member

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    I have heard a rumour it was actually a trade test.
     
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  7. Borgey

    Borgey Active Member

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    Will be replacing mine also before summer. Are the rubbers of good quality? Also did you have to pop out the original pop river pin thingy or did you do a small slice on the new rubber? I ask this as Boris from vintage recommended cutting rubber rather then pushing out the pin as it's a strong factory pin!!
     
  8. rstucke

    rstucke Active Member

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    Hi Bogey
    I removed the pins. This allowed me to bead blast the painted frames (bit rusty) and re paint. Also made it easier to polish the aluminium upright part
    Rubbers came from JK (sorry Roy) and were a good fit but took a little time to get them in the channel they sit in properly (no glue required).
    Did notice that the originals had elongated holes on the leading edge rubber. The lower ones I believe are to let water out caught between rubber and flipper and the ones up the side allows a little air flow to push water out that could be forced in there while driving, the inside of the door actually pressurises a little while driving forward (there is also a vent in the back of the door for your comfort on a hot day).
    Anyway the new rubbers had a thin web over these holes so I punched through and pinched out the web with a pair of long nosed pliers as I think they are necessary to help water tightness.
    The rivets are aluminium but unlike a pop rivet have no centre hole so just using a drill isn't going to work real well. I used a small centre punch and guessed the middle. Then a very small drill but only drilled to about the level of the frame (not through it) then followed with a 4mm drill but again only to level with the frame. I then used a pin punch to knock the rivet out (a 75mm nail will do but grind the point off first and make sure its 3.5mm dia). The holes in the metal are slightly less than 4mm so a 4mm drill and corresponding pop rivets to re assemble (make sure the flat part of the rivet sites in the aluminium channel or the back rubber won't sit properly.

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  9. Borgey

    Borgey Active Member

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    Thanks for that mate. Will get on it sooner rather then later!! Looks great by the way
     
  10. Cherie Whenan

    Cherie Whenan New Member

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    Hi Rick,
    We decided to buy new 1/4 vent windows for the cab as the ventilation would be better for Craig as his' body thermostat' does not function too well in the heat. Bought them from Roy.
    On the other hand, Craig and I are now in the process of repairing our 3 x 1/4 windows and replacing all the rubbers and 'bits' as well for the 2 on the driver's side and the one on the sliding door/passenger side of our 1976 Kombi. Too expensive to buy new.
    We have a friend who is a genius with all things mechanical and after lots of toing and froing, (we also thought they were too short; purchased from JK),we realised that the flat rubbers, that wrap around the glass and then fit into the channel of the frame are stretched around the glass first. When the rubbers are stretched like this, they are not too short and actually hug the glass securing them well and so no glue is required. This enables the glass to be slipped into the frame more easily.
    Once stretched around the glass ( you will probably need 2 people to do this and hold it fiim in a vice), you then secure the rubber to the glass with electrical tape until ready to place in the frame. I will send a photo when I can for you , hope this helps.
    Cheers Cherie
     
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  11. Cherie Whenan

    Cherie Whenan New Member

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    You are a clever vegemite. The windows look great. Hope our !/4's look just as good for the back windows.
    Cheers Cherie
     
  12. oldman

    oldman Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I took the easy way out......purchased the complete units from Roy.
    A bit of time to dismantle the fixed 1/4’s but fitting the new ones was really pretty simple. I also replaced the inner & outer scrapers at the same time.
    Patience is the key. Go slowly and steadily. You should comfortably do a r’n’r to both sides in an easy day. Having the right gear certainly helps.
    Buy once, cry once.......as the saying goes.;)
    Cheers,
    Mark
     
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  13. Cherie Whenan

    Cherie Whenan New Member

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    Photo of the stretched rubber as promised if this helps,
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  14. StevieVW

    StevieVW Well-Known Member

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    This would have to have been the job for the naughty employees on the production line.....
     
  15. Mordred

    Mordred Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I swapped out a door on the weekend and I must have done something wrong. I have put it off for 2 years with the worry it would be so painful. It took around 3 hours total, inc strip down old door and refit to new empty one. I wasn't rushing as everybody says you have to be patient and thought I might do a bit to get started. Worst job on a Kombi they keep saying. Where did I go wrong?

    Apart from 2 tiny bits of scratching of the paint on the new door on the inside, and a couple of rusted clips I have to replace eventually I didn't have really any difficult bits apart from possibly getting the quarter window base to go into the slot with the main glass in place(until I just pushed the glass to the out side) and a break in the window felt channel, and it still works.

    I really think I dodged a bullet and got an easy one, I would hate to have to do it on a freshly painted door that wasn't mine, but I did start with a clear head and an expectation it would take a long time, so just tackled it a section at a time. Pity other things cant be that way.

    Cheers

    Adrian
     
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  16. Cherie Whenan

    Cherie Whenan New Member

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    Found a great YouTube clip from Creative Engineering - 'Quarter light assembly by Creative engineering 1'. Step by Step photos which is great. Today our rubber ripped and so we are going to plan 'B'. You're right; Bloody awful fiddly job, but determined to get it together.
    Cheers,
    Cherie
     

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