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14 Inch All Terrain Tyres/Sizes

Discussion in 'T3 & T4 Tech Help Clinic' started by beastieboy, Apr 30, 2017.

  1. beastieboy

    beastieboy Active Member

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    Lets talk about going off road in your van.
    What off road/all terrain tyre have you fitted (past/present/future) on the stock T3 rims?
    I've been looking at a few types online but doesn't seem to be an abundance of them for 14's.

    Would a T3 experience any issues with the following size?

    27x8.5R14" 95S

    If so, what's the limit, or what recommendations would be suggested?

    After all, we own camper vans, and winter is on the way. What's getting you out of the mud when you go camping and you start to leave the tarmac?

    Please discuss....

    Cheers
     
  2. Luckyphil

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    If you are in a 2WD that would be a tow truck or a mate with a syncro, now if you fitted a lsd then you would have no trouble. :)
     
  3. syncro

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    BFG used to make 14". I don't know what they do know.

    Have you thought about getting some 15" Mefro wheels?
     
  4. beastieboy

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    Yeah the T3 2wd will bog itself if you just pull over on the hard shoulder in wet weather. Wheel spinning under weight to just get back on the road sometimes. More of a road camper van than a bush basher, unless you are lucky enough to have a syncro I guess.
     
  5. beastieboy

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    Did think about getting bigger wheels to get the best of both worlds sorta thing. More options in tyres. I'm actually thinking of stepping up to 16's. Did think 17's, but thought 16' may save me a few hassles later on, and maybe give me a few more cheaper tyre options. 14' 15' 16' seem to be most common. Stepping to 17 and beyond can get more expensive and probably going to a lower profile would ramp the bills up a bit more. Looks and variety was the initial thought (looks as in the rims, variety as in the tyres for the rim size).
    Then again, if I kept the stock wheels after buying some 16's, I could just have 2 sets of tread ready for whatever the occasion!
    Dunno lol!
    Maybe fitting a winch is a better option...
     
  6. syncro

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    I wouldn't go 16" with off road tyres. They are too tall unless you go Subaru and bigger brakes.
     
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    15 my best option I guess then for best of both worlds....

    Have been looking at these but are they too wide on full lock and the sidewalls look taller? Or any other possible issues like guard rub e.c.t?

    Nankang 27x8.5R14" 95S FT-7

    They claim to be a 4x4 tyre but not really super chunky but then again we drive on the road really most of the time, so maybe not so bad.

    Did also look at the following, which are a bit more staunch looking for off road, but reviews generally say they are crap.

    Kumho Tyre 27x8.50R14 Inch 95Q Road Venture MT KL71

    I also by no means claim to be a wheel or tyre expert whatsoever....
     
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  9. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    Will dig up some links from discussions

    First point would be that minimum load rating for T3 is 97.
    But most tyres you will be looking at will be rated higher anyway.

    I have found passenger construction conform/grip slightly better than LT on rough terrain.
    The difference is minimal but noticeable. often 4wd tyres are avail in both construction types in same tyre.
    Both have usually have reinforced sidewalls. I would pick the passenger for kombi unless you are doing the stony desert or similar.

    Another point will be that 205 is prob widest desireable for 5.5" wide rim. 215 starts to bag a bit.
    Some 6" wide vw rims come up ocassionaly.
    Merc steelies being the usual alternative in 15".

    Have run FirestonevXT many years ago.
    Made for much increased off road capability in a van.
    Swamps, rivers etc.
    Even snow but a hard compound so not good on ice.
    Was fine on seal but fronts were crossplys anyway. :)
    Modern winter tyre with low temp compound would be a big improvement.

    The 14" nankang is not actually imported. Have enquired.
    But check.
    Useful as a dual purpose tyre.
    Toyo and numerous others use a very similar pattern in 15".
    I would expect 4wd tyres of all types to take more severe conditions due to construction regardless of how aggressive, or lack of, the pattern.
    Have also seen reports that kl71has is compromised on road.

    If your search gets serious and creeps away from budget and 14" .....?
    For a full MT my pick would be
    BFG MT. https://www.jaxtyres.com.au/tyres/brands/bfgoodrich/mud-terrain-t-a-km2
    Is OD works out ok for 2wd gearing.
    4wd mag tests indicated it as having good on road manners and good performer in a wide variety if off road surfaces.
     
  10. beastieboy

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    Could not find BFG all terrain in 14's though? Possible to get them?
    Nankang I could buy 5 for $600 fitted which is alright. But you are correct in them not being aggressive in tread pattern. However, for a bit of both road/off road use this is practical and not expensive to make happen. Probably a decent pick for this situation, however no doubt there are more out there that I have yet to discover. I am 2wd also, so anything that helps is a good thing. Extended holidays due to bogging is not exactly the stress free getaway I'm imagining lol!
    Not planning on going to the desert at this stage. Thinking wet grass, mud, forests and dirt tracks, but what we think and what we get are 2 completely different things in reality so any preperation is worth brainstorming on the off chance.
    Who has an electric winch on their Vw? Probably cost as much as the tyres and will actually get you moving most likely;)

     
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    Think they used to exist or might have been in USA but certainly none in 14" in Au.
    Avail 215/75.15.
    Scot runs 235 on the syncro.
    Same for General Grabber AT very popular in pommyland but sizes not avail here.
     
  13. beastieboy

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    15' is fine. Bit of extra clearance is a good thing
     
  14. cbus

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    What size nankang?
    Despite the brand expectation ,think tests showed them as good as toyo.
    Not great but likely better than most running on kombis now but having some improvement for off road except deep mud.

    Agree that there are many permeations but from my experience one can get a long way with a little gear.
    Winching or recovery is usually a matter of a few metres.
    Caution is quickly learned.

    Mods I would do easily to t3 for light off road is carry recovery gear, couple of sacks are good to get grip, ( or modern plastic recovery ramps) carry snow chains for serious slippery or climbing logs in slow driving, hand winch and straps, shovel, jack, pump.
    Mods would be remove spare wheel from clamshell, better and slightly taller tyres of some type, ( ensure chain clearance if intending to use),
    Rear bar with carrier for tyre would be good.
    Stock muffler gives better clearance than some aftermarket systems.

    If expecting MT tyres needed then add a pair for on drive wheels.
    Ensure that construction of rear tyres are same or stiffer than front otherwise the kombi will be a handful on road.
    Ideally a set of any AT of same size all round and matching spare makes things simpler
     
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    Does make for more choices of rubber.
    Expect syncro clearances are different but what they use re tread pattern will be a good indicator.
    I know OD of 668 is fine for gearing but would also like to know how 680 or more affects driveability.
     
  16. beastieboy

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    Too wide - 27x8.5R14" 95S FT-7 Nankang
    Stepping up to 15 probably a good idea....

    Think this is what you mean about the BFG in USA..
    Guess the other option is, don't go off road lol!

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    So they do have the 14" in stock in Aussie?
    Do they have the metric sizings in 14",?
    ie the 205/75.14
    http://nankangtyres.com.au/tyre/ft-7/

    The tyres on the lowlight look pretty tall.
    Guess the 27"? st least.
    Have to check 8.5" but guess its 235mm.
    That might be pushing with the sidewall bulge on a tall tyre.
    Plus it gets away from a stockish dual purpose look?
     
  18. beastieboy

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    Yep. I can get the Nankang for $119 each in Adelaide. Unusual that it is not listed in Metric. Probably imported?
    Ah yep, I looked on Nankangtyres.com.au and they are not listed in 14.
    15 & 17 only in 8.5
    I found them via ebay pickup only for $119 but at the website direct they are $112.99 at http://www.tarziatyrecentre.com.au/tyres/4x4-off-road/
     
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  19. cbus

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    They build both.
    All imported, well ,maybe not the full range actually bought in.
    Check the link I posted.
    There's a 205/75.14 listed.
    But they recon they dont import it but may be usual BS.

    The 27x 8.5.14 equals 215/75.14 and about 678mm OD.
    So should fit easy.
    Check it clears front inner corner of tyre on rear arm.
    Is outside specs for fitting without notification for legalities
    Reason for limiting increase in OD is primaril how braking is affected.
     
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  20. beastieboy

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    I see it. In the 75 Series.
    Same said for the Kumho then...
    You saying they may overhang on the outside?
    If so, that's a possible defect if noticed. Unsure about other states but if it sticks out past the guard the plod may nab you on it here.
    Recently heard someone got done for 5mm over the guard.
    This is where people who have VW Beetles love it, as they flare the guard right, out and can fit some chunky rubber.
    Might get lucky purely on the fact it's on a kombi, but can't really bank on it.
    If I'm up that way I'll call in and see what's up.
     

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