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240V Protection

Discussion in 'Fuel System & Electrics' started by CoffsKombi, Aug 31, 2008.

  1. CoffsKombi

    CoffsKombi New Member

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    I have a 76 camper and have been advised by my auto electrican to have protection put on the 240 side of the electrical system, which i think is a good idea. Any one done that...whats involved.
     
  2. Kombi_Kouple

    Kombi_Kouple New Member

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    It will involve fitting a RCD (safety Switch) inline to your power cable in the bus. Depending on the size of appliances you use on the 240 V system, will determine the Amp size of the RCD. I would go for a 20 Amp. An enclosure will be needed for the RCD, depending on what type you get, and a decision on where to fit it.

    Caravan/camping grounds are supposed to already have them fitted in the power box for the site. So where the one in the bus serves its purpose is where you are plugging into unprotected supplies.
     
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  3. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    No, the size of the circuit (cable size) determines the current rating of the RCD. I'd go for 15A.

    You can also buy extension leads with a built in RCD.
     
  4. Kombi_Kouple

    Kombi_Kouple New Member

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    Yes sorry that is right Phill.

    The cable should be 2.5 mm to 4mm and up for a caravans etc, and that is rated at up tp 26A for 2.5mm and 34A for 4mm. A 20A rating will be more than sufficient to protect the cable.

    I am an electrician and I have never seen a 15 A RCD unit.
     
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  5. ttmck

    ttmck Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Mike correct me if im wrong but you must have this fitted for compliance for insurance and RTA compliance alot of old campers out there i bet have not been upgraded as yet

    and it must be done by a registered electrican not barry backyarder
     
  6. Kombi_Kouple

    Kombi_Kouple New Member

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    ttmck that is exactly right.

    It is actually illegal to electrical work without a license. And campers/caravans come under the same laws. (In queensland anyway)

    If people want to take the risk and fit these items then that is on their head. The cost of a electrician to fit the RCD is much less than the cost to replace your beloved camper if insurance refuses to pay out.

    An extension lead with an inbuilt RCD is always a good option if you dont want to fit an RCD in the camper. They can be bought easily and connected in series with the power supply by anyone.
     
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  7. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    Aren't most houses rated at 16A for 2.5mm?

    Yes, but what are the ratings for vans?

    What are the extension lead RCDs rated at?
     
  8. Kombi_Kouple

    Kombi_Kouple New Member

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    In the older house's it is common where early 2.5mm cable with a bare earth are protected by 16A wire fuses (sometimes converted to push in breakers). All newer houses/buildings are fitted with 20A breakers on 2.5mm twin and earth cable for your general power circuits.

    It all depends on how it is fitted eg: enclosed, surrounded by insulation, surface mounted. And the length. Fitted in the panel space near the roof and with such a short distance a 2.5mm cable should be good for about 26A.

    I think you can purchase RCD extension leads in 10, 15, 20 amp versions. Not to sure exactly so best to shop around.
     
  9. ttmck

    ttmck Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Mike i stuck this , its just too important not to let it slip bye and be lost in never never land i hope to hell people either get in contact with you or you can point them in the right direction with regards to 240v systems nice to have a sparky on board
     
  10. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    When I went to tech the cables were 3/.036" and 1/.064" protected by 15A rewireable fuses.

    Don't forget, there is a seperate SAA wiring rules for vans. I think that everything is derated.

    A 15A RCD extension lead would be the easiest.
     
  11. Kombi_Kouple

    Kombi_Kouple New Member

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    Thats a good idea ttmck.

    All cables are in metric these days and 15A protection devices are no longer really used. 6, 10, 16, 20, 25, 32, 40A are the most common.

    I will look into the ratings for campers and caravans tomorrow and post what I find.
     
  12. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    Do you have the SAA book for vans?
     
  13. CoffsKombi

    CoffsKombi New Member

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    wow..opened a can of worms here. By extension lead do you mean the cable connecting the external power sourse to the van. If i get one with an inbuilt RCD then i dont need to have an inline one fitted within the van. Is the the way im reading it. Also, is external RCD waterproof.
     
  14. jerrys_bus

    jerrys_bus Active Member

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    I used to have a portable RCD socket in my toolbox at the last place I worked like the one on the right in the photo below. This is not water proof, you can also buy one that will fit on the end of a lead just like a plug

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    Though if its required to be fitted by law, this probably wouldn't pass as its not a permanent fitting. this would only cover piece of mind.
     
  15. Kombi_Kouple

    Kombi_Kouple New Member

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    Yes the cable connecting from the van to the power supply i believe that will do.

    It is legal for you to fit a plug in one, and I think you can get waterproof industrial leads to suit.

    I have attached the SAA Australian Standards for caravans/campers etc.
     

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  16. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    I have been told that all 240v installations on vans require documentation to get a roadworthy in Victoria. Documentation must be dated after 2015. Anyone heard of this?
     
  17. Mordred

    Mordred Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I would not be surprised. There are so many old and dodgy installations in caravans and campers it is only a matter of time before there will be mandatory periodic inspections for electrical as well as gas installs. Work on them should only be done by qualified people. To easy to make a mistake that will ruin lives.

    As an aside there was a new directive out in January to electricians Australia wide that TPS cabling (the white plastic coated cable used in your house and caravan) degrades when in contact with polystyrene, such as used in insulation of cool rooms, caravans etc making it brittle and causing it to crack and the insulation to fail which may cause short circuits or fires.

    That's one I never saw coming.

    Adrian
     
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  18. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    It wont really be a periodic inspection from what I understand, but just one off unless you change state.
     
  19. Mordred

    Mordred Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes, I understand that, but if they are going down that track in the name of safety, which is normally the reason, they would be better off adopting a similar approach to the test and tag system. Obviously every year would be excessive, but possibly 3-5 year inspections.
    I have heard there are caravan parks that require leads to be tested and tagged and in date to be able to be used. Pity others don’t carry out testing of their outlet boxes. In the past few years have found a number of earth leakage breakers on the outlets that don’t trip with the test switch.

    Just my thoughts.

    Adrian
     
  20. Wattie

    Wattie Well-Known Member

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    Everything in my vehicle is "Plug & Play" there are no "Though Body" cable runs and all can simply be removed without damage to equipment or vehicle.

    I also carry a circuit tester to check the supply before we connect

    Supply Tester R.jpg
     
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