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Battery seems okay, dash lights come on but won’t start!

Discussion in 'Fuel System & Electrics' started by JaneC, Nov 21, 2019.

  1. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    :) .:rolleyes:
     
  2. Grantus

    Grantus Well-Known Member

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    Checking for radiator water leaks? :rolleyes:
     
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  3. JaneC

    JaneC Active Member

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    Brains trust is correct! starter motor! I’m back on the road, thanks gang,
     
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  4. Grantus

    Grantus Well-Known Member

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    Sticky solenoid? :rolleyes:
     
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  5. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    Unlikely starter.
    Usualy solenoid contactors or voltage to solenoid low due to ignition switch failing.
     
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  6. Grantus

    Grantus Well-Known Member

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    Park facing downhill, so you can roll and then clutch start it, until you get to an auto electrician to sort the issue. ;)
     
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  7. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    Make a jumper lead with a male spade connector and 30 amp wire that will reach from starter, under bus and to battery.

    If it happens again you can remove the IGN wire from spade connector on starter solenoid and attach jumper.

    Ensure out of gear,
    Handbrake on .
    Flat ground.
    And you can do it safely.
    Best done with someone in drivers seat and foot on brake if possible.

    turn IGN on,
    Go to back of van and touch the other end of jumper( bared wire with a terminal fitted as it can get hot) to + battery terminal.
    It should operate starter due to higher voltage direct.

    If necessary , you may need to rotate acellerator bar connecting between carbs to obtain an idle.

    If it happens semi regularly and the jumper lead works then you need to change your ignition switch.

    If jumper lead fails then the solenoid needs replacing.

    If the solenoid clicks in but starter turns slowly
    ( and voltage plus battery terminals, earth cables, cable connections are good) then it's likely starter brushes.

    2 other things that can affect are a sound looking but old braided wire earth cable. Either batt to body or body to gearbox.
    Swap with new ones if suspect. Simple bolt on job and cables about $ 15 EA.

    The other for a rapidly slowing starter only running a few winds is a worn starter bush in bell housing. This is always slow .
     
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  8. cbus

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    Pays to find it prior. ;)
    I just fitted it with a double male connector and ran it thru firewall then capped the bare end on sons bay till we change the switch ;)
     
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  9. Grantus

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    As long as she’s got home safe tonight.....all good! ;)
     
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  10. melissa

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    Sorry Grant - I had logged off so I missed this.

    Good to see you got going again Jane.
     
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  11. JaneC

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    Oh my! Thanks Cbus! As someone who couldn't even find the starter motor, this may be a bit beyond me, but you never know. I used to start a car my Dad designed and built (it was old by this time and needed some work) by bridging the solenoid and battery somehow ... with a very long screwdriver (insulated handle!) so you would think I'd know better. I obviously need to brush up. Ha HA! Thank you though, as usual the Kombi Brains Trust helped a lot. And thank you for the late night advice!
     
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  12. JaneC

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    Thanks so much Melissa! It was a very late night discussion. Turns out, Dot is in need of a new Starter Motor. Also NRMA did test me out incase I stopped by making me do the clutch start. It all worked well. Thanks very much.
     
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  13. JaneC

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    Hello Grant, really appreciated the late night advice. Kombi Club Brains Trust, as usual came to the rescue!
     
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  14. JaneC

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    Ha HA! I was waiting for it! Actually he was terrific, but I think initially he assumed engine was in the usual spot... :)
     
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  15. cbus

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    All is easy enough once you look at it and I advise doing that when not under pressure.
    Once you have a picture in your mind its logical.

    The screwdriver trick is same as the jumper lead.
    You short between the bolt where the heavy wires are connected on the starter solenoid and the spade connection that the ignition wire connects to.
    This will frighten you when the starter kicks over and obviously you must have same safety conditions as explained on the Hotwire post.

    Renewing starter should fix the issue.

    But NRMA diagnosis tend to be " generic".
    You may? Need a new starter but more likely it's the ignition switch or solenoid giving the symptoms.
    Don't fit a cheap starter.
    Apparently poor quality.
    Best to have your starter serviced by someone you trust.
     
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  16. JaneC

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    Fabulous, thanks CBus!!
     
  17. oldman

    oldman Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Get a Wosp starter from JK.....best you can get.
    Or, get yours rebuilt by an auto electrician.....avoid the cheap Chinese crap that’s out there.
    Buy once, cry once....
    Cheers,
    Mark
     
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  18. David H

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    Solenoid overhaul kit bar code Jane.
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    Start here;)
    Cheers
     
  19. JaneC

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    You’re a champ Cbus!
     
  20. onetrackwonder

    onetrackwonder Well-Known Member

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    This forum always pleases me to see the level of help that is constantly thrown out, love how Grantus stayed up just to make sure that JaneC was safe, well done mate, awesome stuff, Jane I would love to hear more about the car that your dad designed and built as I have done the same thing myself, enjoy the Kombi life and I'm sure that you will constantly learn about new bits of your bus as you go, cheers Greg
     
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