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Fitting Non standard wheels- Photos/other info

Discussion in ''How To' & 'Handy Hints'' started by felixqld66, Jan 19, 2008.

  1. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Rick.

    Some parameters.

    I certainly wouldn't use any type of Al nut on stock length studs.
    ( ie 12-14mm thread contact vs factory 19mm )

    I have seen numerous cracked and stripped thread full depth nuts .
    ( ones that go almost full depth to mounting face of vehicle )

    I expect that most of these are diecast.

    I would not use diecast or Chinese makes.( Empi prob Chinese made)

    Al nuts machined out of good grade Al or forged will be better ( than cheapies or cast) and when appropriately used.

    Care must be taken not to cross tread, use prev cross threaded, overtightened Al nuts.

    No rattle guns

    Hand fit and use torque wrench.

    Any balance issues or rotational knocking ......
    check wheel nuts.

    Any work done by others around wheels..
    check wheel nuts
     
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  2. paul77

    paul77 Well-Known Member

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    The steel wheels need nuts with ball seats whereas alloy wheels need tapered seats. I tend to think that is what the term ‘alloy wheel nuts’ means but have been known to be wrong on numerous occasions. And if you do go down the path of fitting longer wheel studs do some homework on sourcing quality studs. I didn’t and it proved costly.
     
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  3. Grantus

    Grantus Well-Known Member

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    You may be right....... I’ve bought steel nuts to suit alloy wheels (tapered), and are sold as “Alloy Wheel Nuts”. :rolleyes:
     
  4. Nozza

    Nozza Well-Known Member

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    From Justkampers site
    J18785-0_3.jpg
    Description
    Quality EMPI product. Sold as a set of five and includes a locking key. Required in order to fit our EMPI 911 alloy wheels on VW T2 Bays and VW T25s.
    Small Diameter: 14mm
    60 degree
    For EMPI 911 (5x112) alloy wheels
    Chrome with tool.


    "Chrome" suggests they are made of steel.
    From ipconline store below.

    EMPI Chrome Steel Lug Nut Set

    Quick Overview
    Now you can have the look of Porsche-Style Lug Nuts for your EMPI or aftermarket wheels featuring 60° seat.
    Made of Steel with a Chrome Finish


    Seems they are steel. Maybe ring Justkampers rather than guessing all over the place.
     
  5. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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  6. Nozza

    Nozza Well-Known Member

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    The above chromed aluminium ones
    JK Part Number: J18920

    The part of the bundle kit
    JK Part Number: J18785

    If the bundle kit ones aren't steel, they are available
     
  7. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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  8. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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  9. STUPOT

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    CBUS, your thoughts please?
    I contacted JustKampers regarding their complete set of EMPI 17" Porsche 911 style wheels with centre caps, valve stems, nuts & studs asking why the set only has 10 studs but 20 nuts?
    They answered saying I don't need their set with studs & directed me to their complete set that has only wheels, center caps, nuts & valve stems. Their reply states I don't need longer studs as the wheels are designed to work with the existing studs! They never answered why their other complete set only contains 10 studs but 20 nuts!
    Screenshot of their email reply attached.
    I visited Micks Motors a few days ago & he has them in stock & he said I'd need longer studs to fit the same set of wheels. I'd like to buy them from Micks Motors but the set is $700 more expensive from Micks Motors for the same set of wheels.
    I'm suspicious as to why JK would say I don't need longer studs. IMG_20190211_093053.jpg Maybe they just want to make a sale & don't really care what happens afterwards.
     
  10. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    Kai knows his stuff and I trust his opininion fully but I don't know what the difference is so ask him the detail on depth of the wheel where it goes over the studs.
    He is my " go to person" when I have questions on an aftermarket product that I'm unfamiliar with that they stock and generally
    It is possible that the mounting face has been machined thinner or countersunk further.
    Ask him the difference that makes these fit without changing to longer studs.
    He has a practical eye for details that improve a products serviceability so should be able to explain the difference.
    Check any concerns re nuts with him as well.

    Keep in mind that my advice is based on experience with a bunch of different wheels but that doesn't mean that something different isnt out there.

    Also prices vary considerably between sellers , often on the very same product.
    Just because one is cheaper on a couple of products doesn't mean that the cost advantage applies across all products.
    Such differences you note may well be on same product but only confirmation of manufacturer and product can confirm.
     
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  11. Miss Poppet

    Miss Poppet Member

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    These are gorgeous!
     
  12. Miss Poppet

    Miss Poppet Member

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    Hey all, just looking for any recommendations for someone who can spray mags different colours and is it possible to respray any kind of mag? (Please excuse my lack of knowledge here!)
    I’ve gone out on a limb and resprayed Rosie with some pretty rad colours but now I’m not sure if ‘normal’ chrome or mat silver mags will work... and black certainly won’t
    Anyway just looking at my options.
    TIA
     
  13. Barry

    Barry Well-Known Member

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    Very difficult to spray chrome.

    Otherwise pretty easy to spray a mag wheel

    Can be done with a rattle can yourself or take to a panel beater.

    Depends on the quality you are chasing.
     
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  14. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    There is wheel specialists that will repair and paint mags.
     
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  15. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    https://www.whereis.com/qld/caboolture-4510/yellowId-1000002215241
    Hawkeye powder coating.
    industrial area near Caboolture turnoff.
    07 , 5412 0304.
    Unit 2.
    8-10 skyreach st.

    Has fine blaster to prep wheels and a range of finishes for doing wheels.
    Set up for such as well as tinware etc.
    Can even do a realistic chrome :)
     
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