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How to mount a 1600cc 71 vw motor into a 74 bus?

Discussion in 'Engine & Transmission' started by SunnyJim, Dec 13, 2018.

  1. SunnyJim

    SunnyJim Well-Known Member

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    Hi kombigroovers

    I am cleaning out the back shed and preparing to sell the original vw type 1 1600cc air cooled beastie. I took it out of sunnyjim 71 bus. It still turns over, I think it needs a rebuild but it has a lot of good bits on it.

    I already got a question from someone asking how can he mount it in his 74 bus?. ( He has no motor in it)

    Was 74 the changeover year? He said he has a 3 Rib gearbox currently in it. ( perhaps he was counting the ribs wrong?) Is it possible then the original motor might be the same 1600cc? Or did they match 1800c with a 3 Rib box?

    What about the moustache bar mount? Is it a different one for a 74?

    Thx Paul
     
  2. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    Hi Paul.
    He will need the specific rear mounting bar and rear engine tinware.
    If he has 3 rib then its a straight fit but if a 6 rib will need ti change input shaft.
    Not sure 1800 box.
    There is a Ratwell on gearbox/ engine matching.
    He will certainly need a lower( 1600) geared box for realistic matched gear ratios. ( mainly a diff ratio function)
    The 1600tp was the poverty pack option up till about 74/75?
    If he has a 3 rib plus no engine hatch over engine its likely that he may have originally had a 1600 from factory.
    Some peeps will be able to decipher from vehicle codes.
     
  3. Justin Ward

    Justin Ward New Member

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  4. Justin Ward

    Justin Ward New Member

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    Hi Paul thanks for asking the question and Cbus for the reply. I have attached some photos of my buss engine bay gearbox and the compliance plate any assistance would be appreciated. Justin
     
  5. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    Hi Justin.
    Sorry slow reply.
    Trying to check info first.
    Box looks like a 3 rib.
    There should be 3 ribs on top above CV:s
    Think it was standard with 1600 and 1700 type 4 motor ??
    From memory the 1600 rear bar is like a late one ( as shown and as expected with later rear end body) but mounting points for engine different to suit the 1600.

    Regardless all parts are available to fit 1600 without too much hassle.

    Do you have the engine hatch above engine bay?

    I have a couple of the rear tinware if needed.
    Will need a clean up but useable.

    The chassis number as stamped on engine bay tin just inside rear engine hatch on lhs.
    It may not give engine info as I suggested but try this one. ??
    http://en.vindecoder.pl/WV2ZZZ7HZAH238545
     
  6. Justin Ward

    Justin Ward New Member

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    Hi cbus,

    thanks I think Paul may have sold this engine but I am still on a mission to find out all the info and options for our bus. I will try this link and let you know. Cheers Justin
     
  7. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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  8. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    Think there is a page on ratwell discussing gearbox matches.

    You will find a type 1 ( 1600) cheaper to build for parts unless you want more power.
    If going seriously more then its prob cheaper to go a type 4 motor. 1800-2 litre as the hot type ones get expensive.
    If you go a type 4 you will want to match with appropriate gearbox.
    Especially in the case of a 2 litre.
     
  9. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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  10. SunnyJim

    SunnyJim Well-Known Member

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    Hi Justin
    Yes mate it sold pretty quickly.
    Welcome to the kc. I am sure a motor will find your kombi
     
  11. PICT

    PICT Active Member

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    Is the rear bar the same on a 72+ 1600 and a type 4 engine? the square one?
     
  12. tomhic

    tomhic Active Member

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    I fitted a 1600 dp in my '76 using the information here:
    https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=483408
    As explained, not all 1600 motors are equal and you will need one suitable for a bus or, as a last resort, use an adaptor.
    The replica 'tinware' is OK if you can't find original:
    http://www.creativecarcraft.com/notforbug.htm
    The moustache bar is specific for 1600 motors and I was lucky enough to get one from the good guys at GHR Motors in Adelaide so didn't need to modify one as per the samba post.

    cheers, Tom
     
    Last edited: Dec 30, 2018
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