JUST KAMPERS - 'ADR' APPROVED ROCK & ROLL BED

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  1. peter915

    peter915 Active Member

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    I don't see an issue with having to raise the rear engine bay area - could be useful for extra storage under the mattress.
    It would also allow for a air space under the bed - healthy and allow engine heat to dissipate after a drive.
     
  2. Kai

    Kai Well-Known Member

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    There's a bit different between that bed and this bed. I know because I've seen both. That bed is a poor copy of the original Just Kampers UK bed and not a good one, @Squidy can vouch for that. The bed that we sell - while essentially the same as the JK UK bed, has many improvements over the original. Some of these for ADR eg, the seat base latches and thicker side arms, others for ease of use.

    It does cost money to develop a product, take it to testing, pay an engineer and get it certified. Then pay for the tooling upfront, manufacturing and then the container shipping costs.

    End of the day we are trying our best to make the best rock and roll bed we can that is ADR certified that no one will have trouble with. As you can imagine there are some things on the first version that we will change on the next iteration to make it easier for our customers.

    We are open to constructive feedback, you know where to contact us.
     
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  3. Syncro27

    Syncro27 Well-Known Member

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    Needs to come in more colours Kai!

    HA! :D
     
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  4. Vamper1

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    just wondering have if you've had made progress with installation and engineering ??
     
  5. rstucke

    rstucke Well-Known Member

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    Here is my progress so far. I'm not finished as the upholstery still needs to be done ( happening soon)

    The side connecting pieces are much thicker than other commercially available frames (I've seen home made ones with this thickness)
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    The frame went together pretty quick
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    when I trial fitted I noticed the end stays (bits that hold the back of the bead) fouled on the wheel arches, will need to fix that.

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    So tried some adjustments
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    Didn't work.
     
  6. rstucke

    rstucke Well-Known Member

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    The bed seat needed to be closer to the engine compartment so a little trimming was in order (not much)
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    The frame was loose as is and warped so I braced it straight and welded the whole thing.
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    frame went back in to re-check the fit (needs to be lined up to the engine cover and be level)

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  7. rstucke

    rstucke Well-Known Member

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    First lot of brackets in (I think these are the most important ones to get right.
    The seat part needs to be level or leaning back a little (leaning forward is definitely out)
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  8. rstucke

    rstucke Well-Known Member

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    I didn't like the screws used as pivots as they are threaded all the way and It won't take long for them to wear and cut into the frame.
    So I replaced them with high tensile bolts that had smooth unthreaded shanks. I didn't think the 8mm bolt on the centre pivot was enough so drilled it out to 10mm.
    This also allowed the frame to open fully as the holes in the bosses weren't lined up properly.

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  9. rstucke

    rstucke Well-Known Member

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    I changed the back section to better connect to the kombi and strengthen where it was bowing a bit.

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    You can see the extra attachments I've added.
     
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  10. rstucke

    rstucke Well-Known Member

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    A coat of paint and re-assembly.
    Have a go what I found under the powder coat of the steel connectors.
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  11. oldman

    oldman Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Careful Rick, ...you’ll have folks queueing up for you to install...:p
    Love your work.
    Particularly highlighting the fact that the install. is just as important as the integrity of the element itself. :cool:
    Cheers,
    Mark
     
  12. Vamper1

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    Thanks Rick for the pics and commentary :)
    yes impressive work !!!
    Would you know if the bed would need similiar adjustments to fit a T3 ?
     
  13. rstucke

    rstucke Well-Known Member

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    At this point I re-located the rear bed stays so the wouldn't foul the rear wheel guards and put some clips on them to keep them out of the way while lowering the bed back to a seat.
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    here's how it fits

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    now to finish the brackets
    There's also room for a 100a/h AGM battery

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  14. rstucke

    rstucke Well-Known Member

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    These are the steps I took to make this bed/seat fit my camper to my standard.
    I'm not saying you need to do this but I would recommend it.
    The most important part is to get the rear angle bracket in the right place.
    If it's out nothing else will line up.
    Not sure about fitting in a T3, probably the same sort of challenges.

    Next step is upholstery after the roof lining and pop top canvas go in

    Cheers
     
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  15. cbus

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    Unacceptable prep for the powder coating.
    No primer either.
    A zinc epoxy should be used and parts sandblasted if scale or rust present.
    Normal continous line degrease adequate for clean metal.
    Signs of lack of adhesion as expected.

    Good work.
    Would cost them heaps to have these issues rectified by an engineer.
    Hopefully some adoption of the issues you bring up can be taken on board .
    Always a process to refine a product and the demand is there.

    Some templates for positiong of fixtures would be good if not already avail.
     
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  16. KahunaKombi

    KahunaKombi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Rick, most impressive ;)
     
  17. SuppsByJase

    SuppsByJase Member

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    I ended up getting in touch with Jamie after a few months of hassling him lol

    The quality of his stuff is awesome and I had it fitted by a mate that works at a hot rod / classic car resto shop and he had no issues whatsoever!

    Haven't slept on it yet though!
     
  18. 68BUS

    68BUS Well-Known Member

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    Wow. Impressive install. Such a shame they have not got the design right before going to market though. I love Just Kampers and have only had pleasant dealings with them. A few products were not up to scratch though and ended up in the bin pretty quickly but they are normally a cheap and cheerful option.

    But I would have been dissapointed in having to make so many modifications in comparison to the Kustom Kombi product that I have in the bus. Fit in straight away and it still looks like the only ADR Compliant bed on the market. I could be wrong but Jamie supplies the ply and foam as they are all part of the ADR Compliance system. So if you get the JK bed you would need to get and engineer to test the strength of the ply and also the foam density as if it is too soft then the interaction with the foam / passenger / seatbelt could be compromised.

    But credit to the install. Great quality choices to get it right!
     
  19. peter915

    peter915 Active Member

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    I think we need to compare apples with apples.
    The JK unit is less than half the price of the other unit.
    For me, I have no need for a compliant bed to support extra passengers with seat belts, my van is a two person vehicle and will remain so.
    Having spoken to an engineer about this item he agreed I had no need to make any changes to this type of seat/ bed.
    I'm sure I can happily install the JK bed and cut a bit of ply and foam.
     
  20. 68BUS

    68BUS Well-Known Member

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    The Just Kampers bed seat in question is $800 vs $900 for the Kustom Kombi one that comes with the ply and foam.

    Worth the $100 extra for something that works first time without modifications. I know people have had issues with getting Jamie on the phone, but it is worth while.
    When I contacted him about my 66 he was pretty sure he had the setout of the optional kick sorted, but came and templated off my bus so he definitely had it correct me me and every 66 from that point on.
     

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