May just have found 'the one'

Discussion in 'Buying and selling help' started by Daniel Isley, Jan 8, 2017.

  1. melissa

    melissa Administrator Staff Member

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    I am sure everyone thinks - don't buy without checking it out yourself or having someone look at it for you .

    Personally, I would not bother with the samba roof - all it will do is give you another place to leak when it rains - safaris are good enough for that. It's making it into something it's not - like painting a V on the front of a bay....
     
  2. Aspro

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    What you need is a VW Shasta bus. Google it. Basically a split bus with very minor mods to bring out their offroad capabilities. Far more practical for travelling then a shiny restored bus.
     
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  3. David H

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    Hi Daniel,
    That samba bus looks just great.
    I'm old so 'if it looks too good to be true it must be'.
    If they can't show resto photos (& it must have been... they don't survive 50 years like that .even in the desert) beware.
    But it does look good.

    You seem to be 'very flexible' with your plans & that's okay. Have you thought about a $2k air fare & accommodation to check it out or pay someone to check it.
    Those old bays can look great from the front if you just put a new front panel on but behind that is RUST!

    Seller is "not going to talk the bus down"!

    No 'put down' but a "solid day of research" will just lead to you losing money. Guaranteed!;)

    These buses are about the 'slow' journey. Not the 'I want it now' stuff.

    Rome wasn't built in a day! 'One day' is not what experienced people on this site expect an outcome from.
    Some wait years for the right bus & generally it 'finds them' when they were least expecting it!

    Proper Planning Prevent P**s Poor Performance. I'm hoping this message can 'slow you down a bit on your journey'.

    Cheers,
    David H:)
     
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  4. Daniel Isley

    Daniel Isley New Member

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    Cheers for the all the feedback. I definitely won't be purchasing anything without inspecting it first. I'm flying out to the USA in roughly two weeks and was hoping to have narrowed my search down to two or three busses that I could then fly to their location for an inspection with the check-list in the buying help section. And also haveing a local mechanic that specializes in kombi's / VW's inspect the vehicle as well.

    I am very flexible with the trip, the main purpose initially is to find a bus that is mechanically and structurally sound. This way I was thinking I would be able to restore / modify anything on my travels.

    If the right bus hasn't popped up and passed inspection, likely in the short timeframe I am restricted to, I am thinking I will hire a camper / accommodation while continuing the search.


    The Sundial camper I think has potential included photos of underneath which I think might pass the first hurdle and warrant further in-person inspection? The bus also listed the engine modifications which are my concern at the moment:

    http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2001397

    The engine bay looks very clean a tidy, a good thing I'm assuming?

    "a new engine and trans have been built for the bus and here are the specs, 2017 cc. 78mm stroke by 90.5 mm bore. Balanced, blueprinted, forged pistons, h-beam forged rods, Engle k-8 cam. Dual 40mm HPMX carbs, stainless braided fuel lines, deep sump, remote oul cooler with fan, Accu-Sump pre lube, Mallory vacuum advance distributor. Runs cool at 65-70 mph for hours on end.

    Transmission and reduction boxes rebuilt by William Craddock with taller gears for improved highway drivability"

    From the perspective of reliability as a priority, would these engine modifications assist in helping the bus for an everyday driver or are these modifications going to restrict me to specialist mechanics when I do eventually break down rather than the closest mechanic?

    I plan to have the top cover insurance with roadside assistance for my tour of the US. Current research has AAA as one of the better services.

    Agan, thank you for any and all feedback. It is very helpful.

    Cheers,

    Daniel
     
  5. cbus

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    Like the white one.
    Front and doors look painted.
    Would have anticipated rust from hawaii so question degree of " survivor" .
    Close inspection for rust or bad repairs.
    Buy an inspection camera to see inside cavities and between panels.
    No issue engine.
    Plenty vw workshops can work on it over there.
    Not familiar US prices but if sound and reliable looks good and on price to me.

    Dont believe all sale spiels but looks nice with nice retro touches.
    Not expecting an untouched 50yo vehicle but need one thats not going to require a lot of costly bodywork and one that will be reliable in the boonies.
    PM sent.

    Col
     
  6. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    Some members may have contact details to people who do pre purchase checks for export vehicles.
     
  7. 77/kombi/surfer

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    Gday again,
    Good to see you've done some research more into which model will suit your needs.
    Ultimately every one loves the samba model but they're only good for driving the family around town in really.
    If you've never been inside a splitty let alone drive one you'll be surprised as to how small they are inside.
    That bus you've posted for sale is very cool original camper, you could live in that quite nicely.
    As I posted before and Aspro pointed out;
    Look at the Mt Shasta vw mountain cruise/campout the boys go on around February each year.
    You'll see what sort of bus they use for their outings.
    If you have the timing right you might be able to fly over and go on the run in one of the cars with another vet.
    V W people are very generous and I'm sure someone will oblige!
    Keep looking as the right vw will find you in due time.
    Cheers chuckster
     
  8. Daniel Isley

    Daniel Isley New Member

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    Thank you all for your assistance so far.

    I currently have two busses I am focusing on at the moment while still keeping on scouring the internet for more ;)

    1. Is the already mentioned white camper http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2001397

    2. Is another camper that I have found that I think looks really good?

    - Restoration completed by previous owner - Motor Works Restorations (Jeremy Vreem)
    - CSP Disk Bakes in front
    - New Rancho Transmissions (less than 100 miles)
    - New steering components
    - New tyres and allignment
    - Brand new clutch
    - Original German glass in safari windows
    - Includes receipts for recent modifications mentioned above and extras totaling $7000USD

    - Motor is a stock 1500 single port
    - All new rubber seals on windows and doors
    - Safari windows
    - Heat 'works normally' (Not too sure what this is referring to, cabin heating?)
    - Floor is very solid with no rust
    - No rust on drivers side or passenger side floor
    - No rust in battery tray or engine compartment
    - Dent in bodywork and crack in paintwork at the passenger rear end from battery coming loose
    - New battery and battery strap
    - Comes with original VW birth certificate
    - 12V Cigarette lighter is only electrical (would need to install independent deep cycle battery and a power inverter)

    I think this would be a good camper to make the shortlist and to go out and see it in person / have it inspected by independent mechanic.

    Can anybody see any areas that I should look at more closely or ask the seller questions about?

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  9. Daniel Isley

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  10. Daniel Isley

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  11. cbus

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    Looks tidy and consistent.
    List of work sounds like cleaned up for resale.
    How old is paint.
    Previous cleanup looks to have been done with some care.

    Engine was dirty before getting gerni. Still a small leak.
    Chassis members look rusty to me.?
    Maybe split owners can identify between stock and new welds that indicate patches at some stage .
    If so then asess how it is underfloor compared to above which looks good and check that any work done above is sound.
    I cant see any issues above floor but a discrepency between the two raised the qn re what was the body like prior paint and how well was it repaired.
    Bit rough under paint in engine bay but they dont often get close attention and none of it indicates anything serious.
     
  12. 77/kombi/surfer

    77/kombi/surfer Well-Known Member

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    wow... good choice for a novice looking for his first split screen. Having a rare split screen 65 camper i am rebuilding i have a bit of knowledge on quite a few of the u.s.a models as ive been researching them my self for comparisons. Ill attach a link to The samba site with camper models they had over there, also this section nearly explains everything you need to find out about them in the rest of this forums section!
    http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=99345
    The thing is , this 66 sundial camper was not available in Australia. Its a U.S.A. only camper style!!!Very cool model camper an super rare walk throughmodel.
    Personally i like the windows that wind out with screens to keep the bugs out. The interior looks pretty much original which is classic. It has the fridge/Icebox and sink with pump tape to a sink for washing. etc
    Engine wise it has a powerful engine, sounds like hes done some work to it mechanically to get in and go. Which is what you want in an old V.W.. (Reliability!)
    He also has a fire supresent system above the engine in case of a fire.
    The only thing id change would be to remove the original a.m. radio and replace it with a newer one from retro sound. It has connections for ipod ,fm radio etc.

    The second one looks like it has the Westfalia camper poptop fitted maybe from factory maybe. It has a Riviera fit out as well. Missing the fridge/ sink cabinet which cost around $1k u.s.a to replace it if you want it.
    Curtain dont look original as is the red trim seat covers. A birth certificate from V.W. Germany with help clarify what it came with and colours.
    It always worries me when i see photos of a car that has been repainted. plenty of half done jobs out there were the work is substandard and is hidden by shiny paint as Col has mentioned above.
    Id need to see photos of the bare metal body prep and rebuild to show me the qaulity of the rust repairs/ welding body prep and painting.
    The car rebuilders on f/b, maybe contact him to see if he has any photos of the resto he could send you!
    Could be issues with the painting the underneath of the car black with maybe the middle chassis has starting to get bubbling rust , nothing major to fix but as there no more pics you cant tell if theres more!!
    Mechanically hes done the basics with it, using a stock size 1500 engine(not rebuilt? how many miles has it done?),add a vintage speed exhaust and a brand rebuilt gearbox . A good reliable stock engine that it would of come out with originally.
    Saying that there disc brakes up front and a stack of receipts for the other work done, the front beam work has been done for daily driving standards which should be cool.
    Safaris windows and new rubber seals is good thing.
    If i had to choose id buy the first one. Why? original car, untouched paint wise. A complete original interior. No possible leaky pop top. An a good sized engine to cruise with.
    Just a point to add the poms love the German Westfalia fit out campers or for that matter any camper . So good ones get snapped up pretty quick!!
    Let us no how you go with it.
    cheers chuck
     
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  13. Daniel Isley

    Daniel Isley New Member

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    Thanks for the feedback. I think I may prefer a unoriginal bus as I was planning to refit the interior with a more modern layout as this will be my home and office for 12+ months. Something like the cabinets below. Thank you for the link to thesamba.com thread. I'm enjoying reading and learning all about my new home :)


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  14. 77/kombi/surfer

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    Gday Daniel,
    Good to see you have joined the samba website an are working through which car will suit you needs.
    Just thought id add that we have at easter long weekend ( the bustop ) kombi club event coming which will have 50 to 60 ? Cars in camping mode of pretty much all models that were available to Australia. Event date is on April 14/17 at Swansea, lake Macquarie near newcastle n.s.w.
    Thought that depending on your time you might be able to drop by for a day an have a chat an look at them, im sure we can get a few people to take you out for a drive in a splitscreen an bay camper to help you narrow your choice of camper you are looking at to suit your u.s.a trip.
    Hope this is helpful,
    Cheers chuck
     
  15. matt510

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    I've got good news and bad news for you. The bad news is you WILL break down and you WILL need to do some repairs on the side of the road. The good news is, you'll be in a splittie so help will never be far away. I lived in the USA for quite a few years, i bought a 64 split from Canada and drove it straight home to San Diego, sight unseen without inspection. Now i am pretty good mechanically but i'm no genius. The things i learned from that trip are 1, make sure you have a set of metric ring spanners in your backpack when you pick the car up, along with 2 flat and 2 phillips screwdrivers and a letherman for everything else. Have a spare set of points and a spare coil condenser. I broke down 5 times in 1 day in Oregon, but never was i left stranded, each time someone random each with their own wonderful collection of VW stories would stop to help/push/pull whatever was required to get me back on the road. That car restored my faith in humanity, i met so many interesting characters who lent me cars, gave me parts, picked me up and dropped me off - it was a blast, your going to love your trip.
     
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  16. Jethro

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    Wow, I am a bay nutter but that link with all the splitty fitouts is almost enough to convert me!! I love the compliance plate where the fit out seems to be approved by the "division of housing"!!
    I have been reading this thread like a novel, I think you are an "overcomer" and with your level of passion and focus you will totally do this thing you have set out to do in spite of all obstacles, I for one am quite inspired by you... press on!!
     
  17. Daniel Isley

    Daniel Isley New Member

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    Hi Everyone and thank you for all of the advice. I have purchased a 'budget friendly' bus as some suggested and am super excited!! She needs some love, but don't we all. As much as I love the samba's I have decided to go with a panel as during my travels I expect to be going through some very rainy and snowy areas of the globe.

    Here she is:
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  18. Daniel Isley

    Daniel Isley New Member

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    I was working with John Alba at Grumpy's metal in California who was going to teach me how to replace the rusted areas. Kris from the Rusty Wagon had a look at the bus for me and reported: "Mainly the rocker panels on the right and left, and front outrigger supports underneath. Also the battery tray and outer left cab floor could stand to be repaired. None of these issues would keep the bus from driving as-is"

    Unfortunately, I have had to come back to Australia to work through a divorce meaning no more guidance and tuition. I plan to undertake an automotive welding course and mechanical course at TAFE. I am a bit stumped as to where to start in the meantime?

    I was hoping to meet up with someone in Sydney and discuss the options to get the bus roadworthy and registered while I learn the skills needed to restore her to her former glory?

    Thank you all for the help so far and I really look forward to starting my first restoration journey :)

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    cbus Well-Known Member

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    Excellent.
    Nice to see you have found a bus.

    Not being negative but scoop over air intake is a concern?.
    Does it indicate cooling issues with motor ?

    Guessing new wheels n tyres are on the list.

    Looking foward to reading about the adventures

    Cheers
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