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Re Fuelling with your Parking Lights On

Discussion in 'Kombi Club' started by Grantus, Oct 22, 2013.

  1. lawso21

    lawso21 Member

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    Sounds like a job for Mythbusters
     
  2. ruby6689

    ruby6689 Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I get the occasional days work at our local servo, boy could I tell you some stories but they're all about the customers. :lol:

    I could become the bitch from hell with all these regulations. I wonder what the regulations are for filling 44 gallon drums, ride on mowers and bikes on back of utes,. Then there's the tractors and ride on lawn mowers that customers simply drive in.

    I have had several customers attempt to put air in their tyres with the gas bottle :umm: Luckily it has a lock on the tap.

    Water shortage....dirty car.....no worries, the windscreen cleaner can be used to wash the entire car.

    Sorry, I could go on for ever.......back to the original topic.
     
  3. tomhic

    tomhic Active Member

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    Assuming the jerry cans in the back of a ute are sitting on the metal tray then the cans would be at the same electrical potential as the car so what's the difference (from a static electricity point of view) in refuelling the cans and refuelling the ute? If it was an aircraft then before refuelling or replenishing oxygen the aircraft would be connected to earth and grounded to the fuel tanker; however, we are not required to ground vehicles before refuelling. If it was a credible risk that a 12 V bulb blowing could cause a fire/explosion then I don't believe the pump attendant telling you to turn your lights off or even signage to that effect would be an acceptable control measure.
    Perhaps next time you could ask the attendant if they would like to try connecting the low voltage side of the coil to the spark plugs and see how well their engine runs.
    cheers, Tom
     
  4. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    If they're not painted.
     
  5. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    Na.
    Was just taking the piss at attendant as your filling area is far from any lights anyway unless you had boy racer disco lights and dodgy wiring under the car :)
     
  6. saabman

    saabman Well-Known Member

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    Static electricity does not require a metal to be involved in the generation of a spark. The plastic containers increase the risk of spark generation as they are likely to be the carriers of the charge.

    I seem to recall myth busters performing an experiment to ignite fuel vapors from a car with a spark ( or a phone ) - it was a rather early eppidode from memory and as I recall they couldn't get it to ignite.
     
  7. Greg N

    Greg N Member

    I'm certain I saw this episode on Myth Busters as well, they even tried the mobile phone with no success in igniting any fuel vapours

    Greg
     
  8. tomhic

    tomhic Active Member

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    If there is no conductivity from can to ute tray due to paint on the jerry can then placing them on the ground would not dissipate the static either. The point is that if a fuel container is at risk from ESD then a vehicle may have a similar level of risk.
    Tom
     
  9. Grantus

    Grantus Well-Known Member

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    Been asking around further, and found one guy that got yelled at when he was filling up by an attendant, to switch off his engine!

    The "engine", was actually the electric thermo fan running after the engine was indeed turned off..........:wtf:
     
  10. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    There was a recall on Victa fuel cans to have the spout replaced from white to black. I think that the black one had a lower resistance.
     
  11. phantom

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    Grantus, I remember being told by my driving instructor (just a couple of years ago…ish) that I should always have all power turned off in the car before I switch the ignition off, especially if going to a petrol station or a mechanic. I was young and didn't ask why, but continue to do this now.

    I also remember being told to ensure everything is turned off before you lock your car. Being as we are all supposed to be locking our cars when we go for fuel these days, therefore that would mean that we should have our lights off, before we lock our cars at the petrol stations….

    …in theory?
     
  12. Alpal

    Alpal Moderator Staff Member

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    I think we should stop and then disconnect the battery cable just in case!
     
  13. tomhic

    tomhic Active Member

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    But what about the pump/station lights and power?
     
  14. Alpal

    Alpal Moderator Staff Member

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    Turn the bloody lot OFF!!! Do you want to die????
     
  15. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    no crystal wearing hippies .
    All that power :lol:
     
  16. Grantus

    Grantus Well-Known Member

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    So what we really need is a check in bay, prior to filling, to remove and hand in your battery, mobile phone and crystals.......

    To then have the bus pushed to the bowser, by non nylon wearing attendants who then will attach a static earthing strap to the vehicle, prior to filling.

    After payment, they will then push your bus to a safety zone, where you can reclaim your battery to refit, and your phone and crystals, to depart along a safe exit side road.:umm:
     
  17. Ninga

    Ninga Well-Known Member

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    :lol:You guys crack me up!
     
  18. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    What ? a SERVICE?? station .

    Never happen

    not again anyway :lol:
     
  19. Grantus

    Grantus Well-Known Member

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    True.... but when it's deems us minions are too risky and unsafe to allow us to handle the said fuel filling pump....... they may have to bring back trained authorised attendants, to handle such a risky procedure, that is so dangerous, to protect their insurance policy claim excesses! :p

    Of course, the price per litre will increase again, and they can justify it, by the need to employ all these additional staff specialists, in the safe fuel deployment to vehicles.

    "Petroleumologists?" :umm:



    On side note, I continue to fill at the same outlet, with my parking lights on, (I know, I'm a dare devil), and have not encountered the same operator - maybe he just couldn't get out of bed and face work, coz the risks of an inferno from a blown parking light were just too much for him???? :wtf:
     

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