T3 or T4 ?? Petrol or diesel ?

Discussion in 'Buying and selling help' started by old grey, Aug 29, 2017.

  1. old grey

    old grey Well-Known Member

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    After selling our 76 8x seater a couple of years ago the time has come where we need another bus for the 6 of us.
    I've been looking at T3 and T4 options up to $10k. Ive looked at other vans, 4x4s etc but would rather another Volksy be in the fold. 6 seat minimum but up to 8/9 even better.
    Thinking anything from early 80s to early 2000s. I believe the early 1.9-2.1 air cooled petrol models are good so long as the service history is positive but I've found some later model 2.5 diesel specimens that I liked. I work on diesel marine engines and am aware of regular servicing of diesels to maintain longevity.
    Hopefully you guys may have info, an opinion or a few tips on what I can look for.
    No rush yet but it's on the cards for the next couple of months.

    Cheers, old grey.
     
  2. Barry

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    taking your time $10k will buy you a decent T3 Caravelle with 2.1....... just

    That said - a quick look on Carsales shows 7 off T4 diesel Caravelles around the $10k mark
    2 with only 150,000 kms on them
     
  3. mackaymanx

    mackaymanx Active Member

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    The T4 autos have a bad reputation.
     
  4. old grey

    old grey Well-Known Member

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    Ive been researching and nothing good found about auto transmission. Thx Barry, ive seen a couple that suit us on various websites but covering my bases with questions, research and more questions.
    A manual works for us as kids will learn to drive in the next few years and we want them to learn stick shift.
    I almost prefer the earlier models for cosmetic appeal.
    Also a heads up on which models were people carriers and which are 2 or 3 seaters from factory would be good. Most filters say 'transporter' but a lot I look up are panel vans with no rear seats. I'm guessing a compliance plate will tell me but I don't see them in most for sale ads and figure there must be an easier way to tell.
    Any help or input appreciated.
     
  5. Barry

    Barry Well-Known Member

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    Just go for s T3 Caravelle
    Preferably post 85ish as that will give you the 2.1L
    The Caravelle will give you 7 - 8 seats
    GL gives power everything and air
    Power steer is the one thing i woulg get
    It is a $1k add to a base model van
     
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  6. melissa

    melissa Administrator Staff Member

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    If you are looking for air cooled early T3 - they also had the variant "Bus" - this was an 8 seater.
     
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  7. Grantus

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    I had a late CL that had power steering and aircon.....

    Features varied throughout the years, as it depended what boxes the importer ticked at VW before importing them. ;)
     
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  8. old grey

    old grey Well-Known Member

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    I'm looking at a couple around the 10 mark that are 02-06 Caravelles or an earlier model 2.1 CL which are around
    $4-7k and 280k plus ks.
     
  9. Grantus

    Grantus Well-Known Member

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    280k kms? Low mileage ones.......;)

    420k on my CL at the moment, and that still averages to less than 14,000kms per year.
     
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  10. old grey

    old grey Well-Known Member

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    Consider those figures an optimistic starting point. I'm ok with kms if it's been looked after well enough. I have time on my side so I'll build my wealth of knowledge and pounce when the right one turns up.
    Patience and research shall be my guide.
     
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  11. David H

    David H Well-Known Member

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    & the love when you meet the right one!!!:rolleyes:
    Cheers
     
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  12. melissa

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    I don't have experience with T4 diesels, only petrol and a manual - a 2005 or 2006 would be a T5 - I have found that the "first runs" of a model are the ones that have problems but maybe by now those issues have been repaired?
    I loved my T4 - power steering, aircon, comfortable to drive with 2.5 motor - I had the Kombi model - this came as a 9 seater but with no carpet or fancy trimming inside - perfect for young families. Make sure it has a service history with the major service being done with the timing belt and water pump being done.
    I have also had T3's with a big variation over the years:
    First was the 1985 Transporter - 1.9 manual - had bed seat in the rear and we added a middle 2 seat when we had another child.
    Next was the 1985 Caravelle Twin Slider that had 1.9 carby motor and manual
    Next was the 1982 Bus - 2L aircooled auto - it drove like a limo!
    Next was the 1989 Caravelle - this was a 2.1 auto - Scott loved this one with it's captains chairs but gee she was thirsty!

    All but the first T3 are still on the road.
     
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  13. AC-T3

    AC-T3 Well-Known Member

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    Yes. And air cooled are sooooooo simple and reliable.
     
  14. old grey

    old grey Well-Known Member

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    I'd be happy to stay air cooled. What year/model did it change ?
     
  15. AC-T3

    AC-T3 Well-Known Member

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    The Australian order was for '82's delivered up through '83 with only some 600 - 800 imported. Retro fit an '82 with all those later GL items like full carpet kit, captains chairs, etc and ahhhhhhhh, pure bliss.
     
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    And whats the general vibe regarding 90s T4s ? Say 1992-2000, Petrol autos with 200-300k on them.
    Anything to look for or be wary of when scrutinising these models ?
     
  17. Grantus

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    I believe that from 98 onwards, they had a totally redesigned transmission to try and solve the design faults in the early ones.......o_O
     
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  18. melissa

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    The later the better :)
     
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  19. Syncro27

    Syncro27 Well-Known Member

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    My brother has a 99 auto T4 and found that VW went through 9 auto gearbox variations over a 5 year period as they kept trying to fix previous years failures.

    When ordering parts you have to give chassis numbers as they changed parts so much and he said it is extremely hard to now get parts for the auto boxes - hence apparently they just don't get rebuilt - manual conversion maybe?
     
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  20. old grey

    old grey Well-Known Member

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    Wow!!
    9 in 5 years says something. What a nightmare.
    We would prefer a manual anyway but that stat is shocking isn't it ?
     

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