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$3000 to crush your kombi

Discussion in 'Kombi Club' started by Van Housing, Mar 23, 2009.

  1. Van Housing

    Van Housing Well-Known Member

    Yarraville Vic
    The Motor Traders' Association of New South Wales has written to federal Treasurer Wayne Swan with a proposal to pay people a $3,000 certificate in return for offering their car for the scrap heap.

    The aim is to get cars built more than 22 years ago off the road within 3 years, to encourage people to buy modern fuel-efficient vehicles.

    "Cars more than 10 years old and with a re-sale value of under $3,000 would be eligible for the scheme, which MTA chief executive James McCall says would get unsafe, polluting cars off the road.

    "The majority of the cars that would come under the scheme would be pre-1987 and wouldn't have catalytic converters in them, which means they'd be spewing out pollution at a great rate," he said.

    "It's a good opportunity to get them off the road.

    "Cars under $3,000 are also often not safe and this would be a great contribution to public safety."

    Mr McCall estimates there are between 1 and 1.5 million eligible cars in Australia, and this plan would see that number of cars head to the crushing yard over three years."

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  2. phatratpat

    phatratpat New Member

    well he just went to the head of my hit list !!!
  3. Van Housing

    Van Housing Well-Known Member

    Yarraville Vic
    Those hoarders of paddock-wrecks are now sitting on a gold-mine!!!

    It means the days of getting a classic car (even a rust-bucket) for less than $3000 may just about be over .... it may also (eventually) lead to a shortage of second-hand parts, and perhaps the demise of wreckers. No doubt many good vehicles will end up being destroyed, simply due to the owner preferring $3000 in hand rather than the expense of repairs.

    They're not getting mine!!!

    Also, note that the proponents expect the govt to get $1000 of the money back as taxes - so it is really a $2000 buy-back scheme.
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2009
  4. Terrordales

    Terrordales Active Member

    Maybe if he puts a couple more zeroes on it I might consider the offer.
  5. Deluxe

    Deluxe Active Member

    But nothing stopping me from buying and registering a pre-87 banger or two (non vw of course) and making a quick couple of grand? Not very ethical but...
  6. dolphinberserk

    dolphinberserk New Member

    Palm Beach, Gold Coast, QLD
    In defence of the Beater/Bomb - my 20c (inflation adjusted)
    The Motor Traders Association stands to profit and expects a subsidy for demand creation. Hmm. This pseudo-environmentalism gets my goat!
    Let's think about their reasoning. Is it more polluting to have old beaters rusting away and being driven to the beach once a week (many, including mine, on LPG mind you!) or to scrap them, with no proper means of recycling hypoid oil, brake fluid, coolant, the car plastics and where the act of scrapping/recycling uses power (power still mainly generated by coal in NSW) and chemicals to break down the non-metallic content of the car. Moreover building modern cars uses much more of this non-eco power, uses nasty chemicals, paint and a whole HEAP of plastics, creating a whole new bunch of disposable cars that will be beaters in less than fifteen years. We're surrounded by early 1990's Holdens or Hyundais which have nowhere to go. And no-one has publicly asked what happens to Prius batteries after ten years: http://blogs.tampabay.com/energy/2008/05/prius-batteries.html ..or for that matter, where those batteries come from...?
    Wouldn't statistics show that preserving old cars with fuel system modifications for irregular use would be better for the environment at least until we get hydrogen/electric cars charged by alternative sources? Of course commuting in, for example, a V8 HQ Premier stroker may not be such an eco-sound thing to do, but who can afford to do that these days? The costs of buying a new car would make the consumer need to justify their purchase by commuting in it rather than leaving their guzzler at hope and busing/biking it. Let's hope Swanny sees this opportunism for what it is!

    What a soliloquy, perhaps the title should have been "To beater or not to beater.."
    BTW My brother is in scrap metal in the ACT, and while I'd love a boost for his future, based on what he tells me scrapping cars is not simple environmentally and is not done at all "eco-correctly" in Australia.

    Keep your buses, pass them to your kids! We can fit solar panels to them by 2020 for sure!

    Last edited: Mar 24, 2009
  7. 79_micro_bus

    79_micro_bus Member

    I am pretty sure the $3,000 will have to be offset against a new car. I think it is a bit of a slow news day. I cant see people getting rid of the current piece of crap they drive and taking out a loan to buy a newer car.
  8. Van Housing

    Van Housing Well-Known Member

    Yarraville Vic
    The issuing of a "certificate" (instead of cash) will certainly deter the poor from selling their car... but the scheme would encourage new car buyers to buy a cheapie to trade for the $3000, which will drive up the minimum price of second-hand cars to close to $3000 - disadvantaging the poor and first-car buyers.
  9. nikferatu

    nikferatu Active Member

    Bracken Ridge, Brisbane
    This is a typical attempt by one of these motor trades bodies to feather it's own nest. It's like the cat giving lifestyle advice to the chooks and to their credit, governments don't seem to respond to it. Especially now with recession looming - there are too many other calls on public funds for our leaders to start boosting demand in the motor vehicle industry beyond what is already provided through other means. Public funding of motor vehicle manufacturing, in any guise, has a checkered history and anyone with an ounce of brain power can see through this ploy. But with international credit providers pulling out of the new car market in Australia, I like anyone else who's been around for more than five minutes would have expected more of this type of argument from the motor trades sector.

    I'm all in favour of both road safety and the careful use of finite resources, but this proposal is not motivated by or in the interests of either. It's true that some newer vehicles have vastly improved safety features over many old makes, but with the gradual attrition of old cars through accidents or wear coupled with a modern driving culture and environment where there are exponentially more drivers often with poor driving habits driving often grossly overpowered vehicles - it's very difficult to argue seriously that road safety is going to suddenly improve overnight with the sorts of subsidies in place that the MTA is proposing. Current trends in more stringent licensing requirements are probably as important as any other strategy in driving down road accident statistics. Other aspects such as our national drinking culture, increased 4WD ownership in urban areas, and the numbers of heavy vehicles on the road - these are more likely to yield opportunities to improve road safety in some appreciable way, yet they are far more difficult and electorally unpalatable to address.

    Fuel efficiency is a welcome attribute of newer technology, but efficiency under the bonnet is only part of the story - what about the cost and energy consumption of recovering old steel or manufacturing new? Over the last few years there has been ongoing national debate about the pros and cons of coal over other forms of energy. Coal is a huge polluter and with Australia already digging it up just as quickly as it can be arranged it would seem to be the wrong time to be artificially driving up demand for the coking coal required for steel production (necessary for vehicle manufacturing). The massive consumption globally on dwindling oil reserves is another factor in arguing that vehicle production be limited to meet only existing demand with carefully managed increase for population growth. While the supply of petrol will probably remain something like constant and maybe even widely affordable for the rest of my lifetime, I'm pretty certain that my 4 month old son will see, during his lifetime, a paradigm shift away from fossil fuel powered internal consumption as the primary mode of transportation. If this occurs then it's pretty likely that current ways of building vehicles and the cars themselves will no longer be appropriate, yet this growth-obsessed capitalist orthodoxy will keep driving motor vehicle production right up until governments are calling last drinks on petrol for the masses and start reserving it for aircraft, maritime and military use where it can't be so easily replaced.

    This club and the many others like it are perfect examples of how the owners of older makes generally have a mature outlook towards safety and economy. The rising prices of Kombis and any other desirable older car demonstrates their diminishing numbers - simply by appealing to people's profit instinct with a cash handout and thereby removing a few more old bangers off the road, while boosting sales of new cars, is just not going to make the kind of difference that the MTA is touting - everyone knows it.

    Thumbs down, nice try boys! :)
  10. type82e

    type82e New Member

    I read an article somewhere that said we could drive our old polluting cars for a hundred years? (I cant remember the exact time, but it was a very long time!) to produce the same ammount of pollution as is produced to make one new car
  11. pvwg

    pvwg Member

    I agree we need to get the old death traps off the road , but it sounds like a deal made to try to sell more new cars. Ruddy should look into giving more money to car clubs not giant businesses. this may keep a lot of dudes out of trouble enjoying their cars rather than thrashing them along the roads.
    Notice I only mentioned car clubs not bikie clubs show the love bikie dudes not war.
  12. ModelJets

    ModelJets Active Member

    I think the target audience was old commodores and other non-event cars not classics like ours. I think they are aware that we try to keep our vehicles in good order and that they are a part of our freedom loving culture.
  13. I laugh at this scheme as all it will do is remove all the cars that were built between say 1980 and 1995 for example. And the majority of these are fitted with Cats, run on unleaded and have pollution and emissions controls on them.

    But they certainly were not built to last like cars were back in the 50 to late 70's for instance. Cars these days are almost a throw away commodity. A 10 plus year old commodore is generally in very poor shape. go back to say the year 2000 and remember how many VB- VK commodores you saw in poor condition that were still driven on the road. Yeah you saw a few but nowhere near as many as you see of their much younger sibling models.

    People like us who own cars of say pre 1980 own them for a reason. Passion, hobby, sentimental value to name a few. How many of us actually use our Kombi's for everyday use these days? I certainly know that i don't anymore as it is far easier to keep in good mechanical order for me not doing 1000+ K's a week in my bus. I understand that some us do use our VW's as everyday transport and that is fine as not all can afford to own multiple cars. I love driving my bus but the lure of sitting in traffic every morning and afternoon without A/C, power steering and the like finally got to me.

    I now drive a 1992 Honda civic to and from work. It is in perfect working order and looked after very well. But this is one of the "type" of cars that they will try and target to get off the roads as it is simply too old?

    I work in the auto industry and with the current economic climate the way it is a lot of people who usually buy a new car every 3 -4 years are now holding onto them a year or 2 longer. Aftermarket spare parts suppliers are not sseing a decline in sales but moreso a slight increase. People are now owning cars to the age where things start to wear out and require replacing thus they are choosing to spend a little on the "old" car to keep it in good working order till they can afford to buy the next new car. Most i know in new car sales support this as the new trend. They aren't seeing Jo Blo coming in every 3 years or so and trading up to the new model anymore.

    As somebody has already mentioned the gov't should be giving car clubs and motoring organisations a bit of funding to encourage car enthuisasts to keep their pride and joys in solid working order and also funding programs to encourage "motorsport events" to keep drag racing and illegal street activites off the streets. Motoring history is important too!! Gov't gives out grants to restore and keep old buildings of historical importance intact so I think they should give all of us a large sum of money to keep our VW's perfect as they are prolly one of the biggest defining moments in the history of the automobile LOL

    Something like this will never happen as the gov't will lose out big time in revenue. Less people speeding, less young people being killed on the road in "dangerous" older cars without airbags etc etc.

    Plus don't forget every time you buy a new car the Gov't also puts it's hand out for stamp duty so there is another way it will recoup the supposed $3K they'll give you for the old bomb so to speak from people who wouldn't have thought of buying a new car in the first place.
  14. 66 deluxe

    66 deluxe New Member

    North Brisbane
    Pollution from old cars? Answer is run em on ethanol, when it burns its like you and me breathing and runs cooler giving better performance. Lets not make it from food crops, grow hemp, best plant for it thats why its illegal. Stick your car scrapping idea up your bum Government. But less dodgy commodores on the road would make me happy.
  15. Joels73 Panel

    Joels73 Panel Active Member

    Somerset, Tasmania
    Is this on in Tassie?
  16. kombibob

    kombibob New Member

    shit i would hate to be on your hit list pat!

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