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COVID-19

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by TeeBee, Mar 24, 2020.

  1. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    Or are the vaxxed more of a risk to others?
    Less symptoms/ think they are impervious, but same probability of contracting and passing it on.?
     
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  2. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    From what I can understand there is a reduced chance of passing it on and for a shorter period.

    But it will keep people out of hospital so that if I need a bed there may be one available.

    The easy fix is to get vaccinated. When I was young I didn't get a choice.
     
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  3. Borgey

    Borgey Well-Known Member

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    Mightn’t seam much to those that are up for getting the jab but this is how it feels to those that would prefer not to have it. Powerful image this one. What happened to freedom of choice without being threatened and black mailed. Let this image sink in and imagine that was your daughter or wife being coerced into something they didn’t want to do.
     
  4. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    I don't like paying taxes. I was forced into it when I got a job.
     
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  5. Luckyphil

    Luckyphil Well-Known Member

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    If we should respect the right to not have a jab then why cant we respect the right for employers & people to not want to employ or associate with those that refuse to get the jab. Or is the only one with rights the one that dosnt want to get the jab?
     
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  6. Jurgen Grossmutter

    Jurgen Grossmutter Well-Known Member

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    Cuts both ways.
     
  7. Wiz

    Wiz Well-Known Member

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    Hundreds of Victorian ambulance paramedics have declined to be vaccinated for COVID-19, reinforcing calls for mandatory vaccination of all frontline healthcare workers in the state.
    The Ambulance Union opposes mandatory vaccination.
    Full story at https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09...-paramedics-decline-covid19-vaccine/100430280

    A dozen of the state’s top cardiologists were forced into isolation and multiple urgent heart procedures cancelled after two unvaccinated nurses worked while infectious with COVID-19 at a major Sydney hospital.
    Critical procedures, including angiograms, pacemakers, stent and valve replacements, were called off at St Vincent’s Hospital in Darlinghurst last week after the nurses worked shifts across at least four cardiac wards.
    One senior interventional cardiologist at St Vincent’s, who could not be named because they were not authorised to speak publicly about the issue, said cardiac procedures were brought to a standstill and wait times for operations such as pacemaker surgery had “blown out” with dozens of patients facing weeks-long delays.
    “We normally run four cardiac cath labs every day but because of [the exposures] we are now down to running only one theatre, and only for half a day with reduced staff,” they said.
    The hospital’s cardiac “cath labs” were closed for at least four days for deep cleaning, with about 30 doctors and nurses identified as close contacts, some plunged into two-week isolation, the doctor said.
    One doctor at the hospital said there was concern about “a small group of nurses [at the hospital] who have not wanted to be vaccinated”.
    Full story at https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...still-in-sydney-hospital-20210916-p58s7v.html
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  8. oldman

    oldman Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Image deleted as it is just plain offensive and totally out of context.
    Not sure how you compare the actions of a convicted, predatory, repeat sex offender to this thread.

    I have no problem with freedom of choice…….we all have it, however recognise that the big picture affects the greater community ….it is your right to choose not to be vaxxed, however do not be blind to the consequences to your own health when, yes when…….we’re all going to come in contact with C19 sometime…… you contract the chronic symptoms.
    As far as being blackmailed goes, we’ll….I have a choice to pay my rego. or not…….I choose to as I want to drive on the public roads. I chose to renew my driver’s license as I need to prove I’m competent in the eyes of the law….l choose to drive on the correct side of the road as the consequences of doing otherwise could kill someone else, let alone myself.
    Your choice……..just don’t ignore the consequences of your actions and accept responsibility when it goes horribly wrong.
    Cheers,
    Mark
     
  9. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    Since when do we have freedom of choice in employment?

    If my work found out that I had sleep apnea I would get the sack. If I smoked dope and went to work 2 weeks later I would get the sack. If I had one low alcohol drink before work I would get the sack yet I could drive home. The only choice I had was to abide by the rules whether I agreed with them or not. It's what society is all about.
     
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  10. oldman

    oldman Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Exactly……
    Without some sort of rules, societies devolve into anarchy.
    Some people like anarchy………most do not.
    Cheers,
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  11. 77/kombi/surfer

    77/kombi/surfer Well-Known Member

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    If we should respect the right to not have a jab then why cant we respect the right for employers & people to not want to employ or associate with those that refuse to get the jab. Or is the only one with rights the one that dose not want to get the jab?[/QUOTE] spot on lucky Phil.
    The issue is employers have a legal o.h.s duty of care for their staff and customers.
    Covid is a grey area but i bet you will see people going to court over this issue of who can go inside to work or eating out etc and policing it.
    In the states they allow double jabbers inside but seat the un vaxxed outside.
    So here is a scenario.
    You go to a restaurant with a group of 5 people. Sign at the door says no vax no entry. 2 people do not want to get vaxxed ( their choice!). So do the 3 people go in and the other 2 go to Macas drive through? or stand out the front abusing the restaurant owner pressuring them to let them in?
    Being a full time carer for my mum at 85 year old this is what ill have to avoid places like that who allow non vaxxers so as to keep her safe even though shes had her A.Z. jabs!
    So were is her rights to eat or go out safely an not catch it due to non vaxxers thinking my rights my choice...
    At 80% jab rate opening up the state there is still capable of having 400,000 people in n.s.w. not vaxxed so that is something to think about, it aint over when we open the gates up , its just the beginning...
     
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  12. cbus

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    Problem is , a jab doesn't improve protection sufficiently to allow for widespread " opening up" .
    It is not the panacea it's being touted and the bias is based on false expectations/ coercion / misinformation.

    So the discrimination is without sufficient justification.

    Check out the Israeli situation.
     
  13. Luckyphil

    Luckyphil Well-Known Member

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    The news is full of Anti Vaxers catching Covid and dying or pleading for others to now get the jab. Well as we know once you get it its too late to get a jab and be sweet. I havnt seen any reports of people wishing they had never got the jab. Yes go on find some obscure examples to prop up the pathetic case for not getting the jab. Get on the Arc or drown :)
     
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  14. syncro

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    What if I get rushed to hospital in an emergency and can't get a bed because these moron antivaxers have filled up the wards? There's justification.

    It should be 100%.

    Has anyone actually been told by a doctor not to get vaccinated?
     
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  15. Wiz

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    Surprise!

    Premier Daniel Andrews is aiming to have 80 per cent of the eligible Victorian population fully vaccinated by Melbourne Cup Day, leaving the door open for crowds on-track.
    He said he hoped to have the major event in “as normal circumstance as possible”, with work under way with the racing industry.
    PR
     
  16. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    People still get covid after both jabs.
    Plenty of cases in many countries.
    The improvement is in drastically reduced symptoms and lower hospitalisations.
    Both valid reasons to get the jab.

    The issue I take is with the sales pitch that we will return to normal once 80% ( and that's only of adults) are innoculated.

    This has already been shown to be false.
    Without an improved vaccine or continued
    " social distancing" activities there will be a massive increase in cases of all types and further occasion for the virus to mutate.
    This happened in Israel which were very proactive in administering vaccines but then relaxed movement restrictions.

    So far the effectiveness of early isolation methods to combat the virus has been shown to be effective if enforced.
    New variants seriously challenge an ad hoc approach to this.
    Vaccines have been shown to be ineffective alone in controlling outbreaks.
    Vaccines are effective at the individual level and in reducing pressure on our specialised health resources.
     
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  17. Grantus

    Grantus Well-Known Member

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    You are correct on all counts.

    The sales pitch of returning to normal at 80% vax rate, is yet more political bullshit. Any medico or person with scientific knowledge, will tell you, that you will still need to continue preventative measures, like masks, distancing, etc, when restrictions are eased, to REDUCE your chances of contracting covid, even if you are fully vaccinated.
     
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  18. 77/kombi/surfer

    77/kombi/surfer Well-Known Member

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    No difference to the qld premier shutting the borders, its got them all the footy n.r.l games and such.
    Its all about making money, as power an money talks....
     
  19. Luckyphil

    Luckyphil Well-Known Member

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    Col no one is saying that things will return to Normal at 80%. What they are saying is what the NEW Normal will look like as we will NEVER return to what was normal pre Covid. Its about time people realised that and stop trying to be clever and find holes in what has been said or done. We need to accept that the world has changed forever and we cant go back but the way forward for me is get the vax. Some will choose not to and will feel vindicated if they manage to avaid Covid whilst unvaxinated which is probably possible. And yes Im double vaxed and can still get covid however I probably wont die or be admitted to hospital. I dont want to take the risk. There are plenty of rednecks out there that have nothing to live for except cause civil unrest under the banner of civil rights but those same pricks will expect someone to try and save them if they get Covid. If they had any balls then they would also refuse treatment and get well on their own after all its only a Flu. What a load of shit.
     
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  20. Luckyphil

    Luckyphil Well-Known Member

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    Look at it this way they saved the game as the NRL would have gone broke. Sure plenty of people and business have gone broke but the attitude of if I go broke everyone has to go broke is crap. Those that survive this will revive the local and wider economies. When we have a recession and lots go broke it all comes back over time but sure some loose the lot and never recover. Its not about the haves and have nots it just the way economy's and democracy works.
     

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