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EV Kombis

Discussion in 'Performance' started by Voltwagen, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. Grantus

    Grantus Well-Known Member

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    With an election coming up, as usual, those politicians we employ, are making some amazing promises of even more spending, to hopefully get a vote…….o_O
     
  2. AC-T3

    AC-T3 Well-Known Member

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    You watching ABC 4 Corners?
     
  3. Grantus

    Grantus Well-Known Member

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    Not at the moment, but I usually do, and will catch the replay later.

    Currently watching the F1 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix Race replay, as the 4am start this morning, was just too tough to catch live….
     
  4. Wiz

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    Is that the ABC program exposing child slave labour used to mine Cobalt in the Congo for EVs
    PR
     
  5. AC-T3

    AC-T3 Well-Known Member

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    For the Chinese owned mining companies? Yes.
     
  6. T1 Terry

    T1 Terry Well-Known Member

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    Seems cobalt is on the outer as far as a chemical component in EV batteries these days. This report is 2 yrs old https://cen.acs.org/energy/energy-s...s are layered,cobalt, aluminum, and manganese. and the latest batteries in the domestic market EV's in China and Japan I believe are trialling these new cobalt free batteries.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-titanate_battery look to be the latest and greatest thing with an improved energy to weight ratio and a different way of looking at how the energy capacity is measured. The ability to hold a higher voltage while under high load puts the LTO cell higher up the charts when over all range is considered rather than theoretical capacity that doesn't take voltage drop into account .....

    T1 Terry
     
  7. Wiz

    Wiz Well-Known Member

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    German aerial photographer Tom Hegen specialises in documenting the traces we leave on the earth's surface. His work provides an overview of places where we extract, refine and consume resources with his latest series exposing the “Lithium Triangle.”

    Here's a photo the Soquimich lithium mine in the Atacama desert. The trucks look tiny.
    Lithium.jpeg

    https://www.tomhegen.com/collections/the-lithium-series-i
    PR
     
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  8. KahunaKombi

    KahunaKombi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    So here's a '64 Beetle with EV conversion - Electric VW Beetle | Cars, Vans & Utes | Gumtree Australia Lismore Area - Lismore | 1291963346
    Interesting commentary extractions from listing ..... "Save money by never stopping at a petrol station again,"->-> But you'll have to stop @ a charging station because "normal range is 120km"
     
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  9. KahunaKombi

    KahunaKombi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    There's interesting photos to be found of abandoned wind turbines ...... you don't hear much about them or activists wanting them cleaned up ..... just left to decay and return to the earth or if in the sea then they'll just collapse and form artificial reef(s).
     
  10. Wiz

    Wiz Well-Known Member

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    Swindon in the UK sell an EV subframe for a mini at 10,000 quid.
    Sounds reasonable until you add the cost of the battery at 16,000 quid with 200km? range.
    PR
     
  11. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    A few things are a bit odd here. It says it is registered but registration "no". It does not have EV labels on the number plates.

    Can any inspection station give you a pink slip on EVs or is it like LPG?
     
  12. wombatventures

    wombatventures Well-Known Member

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    Based on 120km Bert it would mean 3-4 days to Adelaide for us. Leave get to somewhere? We'd have to go via Clare and hoped that we didn't run out of power before we got there and then we'd still be short on range getting to Adelaide. If we went the short way we'd have to stop at Burra (86km) because the range wouldn't get us to Manoora (140km), which would mean that would get to Adelaide on day 3.
    All this based on the fact that our recharge would be off a house charge if there were somewhere to do it because there are no f-ing charging stations out here!
    I do Peterborough-Adelaide-Peterborough in a day several times per year.
     
  13. KahunaKombi

    KahunaKombi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Rego plates don't come up with NSW Rego Check & as for pink slip ..... NFI

    Terry, Lismore is about 240klms from us ..... NFI where charging stations are and doubt NRMA or RACQ would be any help with a charge so expect towing the only option.
     
  14. wombatventures

    wombatventures Well-Known Member

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    That's the thing Bert. I get ev for around the city. It makes sense. Especially if you have solar to charge it. I'm even thinking of a small ev work truck for my work around town. I average 15km per day and as long as I can haul half a tonne of garden waste and mowers and gear. That makes sense as well.
    To go touring or work/recreational distances over 100km it stops being practical.
    Now for my questions....
    T1 Terry... How long do you look at for charging? And is it practical for you to drive to Adelaide and back from Mannum on Batteries? I'd assume you shop in the Bridge so that would work out OK I guess.
     
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  15. KahunaKombi

    KahunaKombi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes Terry ..... agree ..... The klms I've travelled to drive back VW's from interstate an EV wouldn't cut it - 2 from Melbourne (T3 Caravelle + Golf VR6) - 1 from Orange NSW "(Kombi) - 1 from Bowral (T3 Single Cab) + 1 from Nowra (type3 Fastback) ..... won't list the trips from NSW to QLD or even trips to Ski Fields an Ev wouldn't handle any of them within a reasonable time.
    Around town ok but trip or out of town just forget it :confused:
     
  16. Barry

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    My mate commutes, well swaps work places, from Sydney to Walcha
    He has a Tesla 3 Dual Motor (scary fast)
    Around 600 kms.
    Stops for a charge at Raymond Terrace.
     
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  17. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    I bet your T3 would travel Sydney to Walcha faster.
     
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  18. Barry

    Barry Well-Known Member

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    It’s a 20 minute quick charge
     
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  19. oldman

    oldman Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Pardon my ignorance…..but do EVs use battery quicker, the faster you drive ?
    ie is there a “comfortable” cruising speed that maximises battery life similar to cruising speed in a fuel powered vehicle ?
    Cheers,
    Mark
     
  20. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    Yep.
    Basic physics applies.
    Faster acceleration uses a greater amount of energy than a slower rate of acceleration.
    At steady state cruise there are losses such tyre contact and mechanical losses that increase with speed but are a lesser influence than air resistance/ drag which increases at a square of velocity and becomes the major loss of energy at hwy speeds.
    But there is probably still a point at which the air flow over a particular shape can become more turbulent and increase drag.
    In internal combustion engines there are
    " sweet spots" than are dependent on physical design of engine. These give a better conversion of fuel to energy ratio and are an influence on overall economy even though mechanical and aero influences still apply as for the ev.
    Another advantage of the ev is that the placement of drive motors etc can be repackaged to allow improved aero design.
     
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