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Fitting Non standard wheels- Photos/other info

Discussion in ''How To' & 'Handy Hints'' started by felixqld66, Jan 19, 2008.

  1. David H

    David H Well-Known Member

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    Protocols....protocols:p. All done so order prevails;):p:D:cool:
    Want some KC phone numbers;). I'm a collector:p.
    Cheers
     
  2. BackintheDak

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    Sorry guys, saw someone else type out their ph number in other post.
    Not really sure why I typed mine. Will PM in future.
     
  3. Dapom

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    Hey backintgedak just a bit of personal info for you. I’m running 16x7 merc steels. I installed 215/60r16 99H falken ziex ze914 running 38-40 psi and they’ve been superb so far :) the original tyres on standard rims were 91 rated and it was generally a horrible experience driving on them. Hope this all works out for you!!
     
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    DSC03607.JPG DSC03607.JPG As per the thread, 16x7 PDW Oais XT rims, centres machined to 67mm to fit over bearing caps. Running Bridgestone 225/55/16.
    Fitment comes very close to upper ball joint 3mm?
    Tire sizing keeps OD standard.
     
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  5. syncro

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    If you have doubles of the same number do you trade?:eek:
     
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  6. STUPOT

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    Thinking of fitting these to Heidi, obviously they are 17" wheels & Just Kampers say they fit straight on a T2 Bay & the set comes with correct wheel nuts. Any members have any thoughts on the best tyres / size / manufacturer? I just want the wheel arch space to look a little fuller than it does now with the 14inch steel wheels. Also any problems associated with fitting the 17" wheels & tyres? IMG_20190126_140205.jpg
     
  7. cbus

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    No mention of offset.
    Commonly ET 25.
    No idea quality of EMPI wheels.
    Not confident re aluminium nuts.
    I would only use quality steel ones.
    Caps are available for over stock type nuts but you need to be sure the ball size matches rims.

    They will fit with 235/45.17
    Will be close to outer on rear maybe close to touching on front inner suspension.
    Each van varies a bit but can be adjusted a bit if necessary.

    Check options on a tyre size calculator.
    235/45.17 is 643mm OD
    Stock is 650mm
    45 profile looks bit small on stick height.
    If your motor is good you can push 668mm with no issues.
    You will notice a small difference between the two extremes in OD mentioned but no issues unless engine underpowered.

    225 and 235 are good fits width wise.
    I run 34F and 36R PSI with 235/45.17. Any higher on average load will wear centres of rear.
    If you find ride a bit harsh front can be reduced to 30PSI as Long as alignment and shocks good.
    Keep camber neutral and possibly a bit more toe in. 3-5 mm. If needed.

    195/R.14 ( 195/80.14) and 205/75.14 are about 668mm also.

    Handling and stability is noticeably better with reduced profiles tho.
     
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  8. STUPOT

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    You are a guru, thank you so much. :p
     
  9. cbus

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    I am assuming you have not lowered your van?
    If you intend to you will be ok with the rear but more than likely have to check front closely for external lip when turning hard lock and under compression.
    Lowering with drop spindles widens track by 19mm each side.
    This makes the combination of low number offset and drop a definate problem re hitting outer of wheel arch in turn plus compression and compression in straight ahead position.
    Harder/taller bump stops are a part fix but wouldn't be enough with wide tyres and rims.
    In such case you would need an ET about 45-50.
    A narrower rim also would help .


    Lowering with adjusters prob ok for 2" drop.
    Can't say over that.
    There are calculators but peoples experience or trial fitting a better proof.

    Low profile ,ie 45 n less, gets harsh if combined with being dropped quite low with adjusters.
    You loose travel in suspension plus absorption properties of taller tyres.

    Rubber also important.

    I have found ribbed tyres to benefit stability and cornering.
    Vee type tyres can tramline badly.
    Stay away from cheap unknown brands.

    I have run maxxis 511 with good results.
    Budget prices but very good behaviour and grip.
    No longer avail but look up for pattern.
    I find such to be good on a kombi.
    Compound is the critical factor for grip .
    Construction important as well but can only be determined by us non professionals by trying or reading actual comparison tests which I recommend.
    Take panadol first :)
     
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  10. STUPOT

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    No, not lowered & I don't intend to lower her, just wanted to put some larger wheels on to fill out the wheel arches. Considering the all of the 15" 16" & 17" options at this stage & as my gran used to advise. . . Always tackle the biggest one first! ;)
     
  11. cbus

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    Options in all sizes 14-17 that will fill arches enough to compensate for height of front.
    Motor strong?

    Next issues are handling improvements , intended use, range of better tyres.

    Normal stance from factory was front high a bit.
    My preference is have level as measured at bottom of sill front and rear jack points.
    This is achieved cheapest by raising rear.
    Sometimes rear has sagged.
    This will drop front slightly.

    From there decide on additional points above

    Each increase in wheel rim dia increases choice of better tyres.
    Price doesn't increase much for common sizings.
     
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  12. Barry

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    I am certain they are ET40...... same as the Airevo that I have on mine.

    I run 225/50 on the rear and 205/50 on the front.
    Gives it a bit of stance.
    Mine is lowered though.
    Maybe consider some drop spindles on the front?

    I did look at a bay years ago that had these and they looked good.
    Again it was lowered.

    You will need long studs on the rear.
     
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  13. Subdub67

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    Hi mate, I’ve got 15inch empi’s that fit over my discs, the offset was an issue at the rear after fitting rear discs brakes more recently, I ended up buying some 2mm spacers and that fixed the problem. Not sure if it was mentioned but when fitting new rubber make sure the load and speed rating for the tyres are adequate for your vehicle so you and the family are safe etc. For my splity I’m running Yokohama’s with a 91h speed rating. 84839C84-0E96-4316-903D-F8B97D7F2018.jpeg
     
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  14. Nigel

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    I have a feeling that those EMPI wheels might be 7 x 17 inch with a 40 mm offset. If so then I have reason to believe that 215/60 R17C commercial-van tyres might be appropriate options. These 60-Series commercial-van tyres are found on some modern vans (e.g. Renault Trafic & Vauxhall Vivaro) here in Great Britain.
     
  15. STUPOT

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    Hi SUBDUB, those EMPI wheels look great, what size tyres are you running on them? The wheel & tyre really fill the wheel arch, is your Kombi lowered?
    When I checked with Just Kampers regarding the 15" wheels they suggested 195/70/R15 tyres.
     
  16. cbus

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    The empis on subdubs will be likely 15/5.5 et 20.
    About all they do for offset in those.

    There are plenty of sufficiently rated tyres in bigger sizes when you decide on rims.
    For a bay you need min load rating 94 in Lt / xl or 97 in non load branded passenger.
    More choice of good rubber in passenger . quite a few xl rated as well.
     
  17. cbus

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    https://tiresize.com/tyre-size-calculator/

    You need to stay between
    643 , 653 ( standard) and 668 .
    Anything over about 668 may start to affect delivered engine power on average 2l and will need checking for body clearances when turning and under compression.
    Wider tyres more so.

    Not that they won't fit, but may ,depending on widths/ offsets etc.
     
  18. Subdub67

    Subdub67 Well-Known Member

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    Hi Stupot,

    That photo was taken when I was trying to raise the height of my kombi, it was rubbing badly on the slightest bump and even worse with passengers, I have Indian adjusters and found that if you go too low the ride is compromised and steering was like driving a boat, I’ve since raised the kombi and love the way it handles, check all your steering ball joints for excessive slop, the rims are 15inch, 205/ 195. Also if you get too much rubbing on the guard it will affect the body work and paint. Here’s the height now. 4347510C-9F7C-4F0B-AE27-7FA00EF5CB0F.jpeg
     
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  19. STUPOT

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    So basically, If I go 15" wheels I stick with the 195/70/R15 tyres probably Continental Contivancontact 100 & all should be good with clearance etc as Heidi is not lowered?

    I was considering the same wheels in 16" but I don't want any problems fitting with clearance / rubbing so may just go with the 15" if it makes life easier.
    o_Oo_O:confused::confused:;);)
     
  20. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    Rim diameter has no relation to overall diameter in your case.
    Also there is plenty of room for 7" wide . even in 17" .
    Offsets from 25 to about 40 will also fit with a 17x 7 which represents the largest combination you are looking at.

    The only time you will have an issue is if you add some serious lowering or fit tyres with an increased OD over about 668mm.

    OD is determined by tyres.

    Choices only get critical if you lower , particularly more than 2".

    Choose what rims you like and we can check fit.
    Then suggest tyres.

    As prev mentioned.
    Mags have a thicker mounting face.
    This means you should fit longer studs.
    Not essential if you are meticulous about torquing nuts but legally you should.
    Being legal is for insurance purposes , not just being politically correct.
     
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