Discussion in 'Bay Tech Clinic' started by Tombr, May 20, 2017.
can someone please tell me what and how the left jack is used. Thanks
Hinged section slots into the jacking point, then a handle ( missing? ) is used to crank the bus up. Archive the lot and get a safer alternative......small trolley jack for home and a bottle jack for the road is what I use....
Top one .... as Mark posted on the handle was the tire wrench used to removed the wheel nuts.
There are also T2 scissor jacks available from Just Kampers Australia which some members have used and found more operational than the widow makers in your picture.
Top one appears to be an early bay and as Bert says - it uses the wheel brace to move the knob that precariously raises and lowers the bus/ camper. The others were late bay jacks if you were game to use them...
Also as Bert and Mark said - they are not safe to use and have earnt the name widow makers....
Used incorrectly anything's dangerous.......
Why anyone would get under a vehicle not on jack stands or a hoist is beyond me......
I'll glady accept any old vw jacks you want to send my way
Having it on a jack to change a flat tyre on the side of a road......and a semi drives by and blows the bus off the jack, onto the unsuspecting tyre changer - it happens!
Top jack is from split bus era and possibly early ('68) Bay window bus. Uses 19mm wheel bolt wrench/socket to rotate. Nothing wrong with these guys if used correctly and with caution.
I disagree. VW design fault with these suckers - they start off straight, but as you raise the vehicle, they angle dangerously inwards, so as when the vehicle is high enough for the wheel to clear the ground, they are at an unstable angle.
I've retired my 80's original VW equipment jack, (same design as your photos), and now have a slightly more stable scissor lift type jacks in both my Kombis.
Used the real Kombi jack once. Car had dent in side after use. Never again. Have bottle (my favourite under swinging arms) & scissor. Oh...& don't forget the wheel chock! Do yourself a favour & give them to StevieVW & avoid the problems & make another KC member happy.
BTW. I've never been "under a bus' to change a tyre.
Previous quote of mine "just when you thought those German engineers were perfect they prove they weren't"
Regardless of the jack you MUST firmly apply the handbrake and chock the opposite side wheel. Saves pain and damage..
Biggest issue I've found with the VW jacks is the positioning of the jack points ..... some of these older VW's only have a single jack point which usual raises the front first (being lighter than rear) ..... so extremely unstable but in those days there weren't the freeways/highways etc of today.
People try to get the older (original) jacks vertical prior to lifting ..... the lift arm is on an angle to the upright for a reason = as you raise it becomes vertical SO you insert the lift arm into the jack point and while pumping/winding to raise ensure it remains fully inserted and when the base touches the ground (it doesn't look right) but as you lift it does assume the designed position of vertical.
So Kombi I just bought doesn't have a jack. Going out tomorrow to get one that I can leave in the car. Should I get a bottle jack or scissor??
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To comment on above I only used original jack once before I decided it was poorly designed nee dangerous.
Have both bottle & scissor in mine. They both have their respective merits. Both won't work on the original jack point. Need to jack from under the swinging arm so get one that fits in that gap both front & rear. It also means you'll be laying on the ground to find the right spot to jack from but also means you're jacking from under the suspension & that means you don't have to lift all the suspension travel before the wheel starts to leave the ground. . Don't forget the wheel wedge on the offside to stop it rolling.
"just when you thought those German engineers were perfect they prove they weren't"
Thank you David
Can anyone suggest a good scissor jack for my Bay & where to get hold of one in Australia or maybe even a bottle jack?
I've contacted The Bus Stop & they don't stock a scissor jack for the Kombi & suggested I try Supercheap Auto but the guy I spoke with there today said he thought the kombi would be too high for the scissor jack they have.
Any pictures, part numbers / stock codes for the jack & the retailers name would be much appreciated. I just don't trust the widow maker I have!
The supercheap one would be too low.
And reading comments above.
Although I use a big trolley jack and stands at home I only carry the handled widow maker in my kombis.
ALWAYS chock both sides of wheels on opposing side of van and put spare under sill near jack point.
( x2 if stock size and avail )
Handbrake on hard.
Hands and head clear while working.
That way the van can only fall as far as the wheel under van and you can reinsert jack.
The biggest issue I have with the widow makers is the likely hood of the gearing slipping or breaking.
Mine have been selected for condition.
Having said that , I do agree on the considerable dangers that they represent.
Especially to the mechanically uninitiated.
When I jacked my bus from the rear left point the front left tyre lost contact with the ground first? So even though the front right tyre was chocked the bus swung a bit and i understood the meaning of the term 'widow maker'.
I have one of these now https://www.vollks.com.au/store/VW-Scissor-Jack-Type-1-2-and-Ghia.html
That would have happened exactly the same with your new scissor jack.
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