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making a upright motor for everyday use with a little more towing power

Discussion in 'Performance' started by ick72, Aug 29, 2012.

  1. ick72

    ick72 New Member

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    hi guys should be starting my motor build soon for the daily driver panel van ,noting wanting to go as far as a 2100 can some one give me ideas of a sensible motor is a 1776 or 1835 the right idea or am i just thinking of to big a build
     
  2. KahunaKombi

    KahunaKombi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    IMO either of the sizes would be fine but always depends on the pocket & keep in mind if you have a 1600 gearbox then be careful how big you go as the gearing will result in higher revs = higher temp at cruising spped (100-120kph). Bought a Dual Cab some yrs back and it had a 2100 Pobjoy stroker which was a beast of an engine and went like the clappers BUT it was married up to a 1600 box and so grunt and go equalled high temps above 100 kph and slowing to 60 brought it under control but a pain when doing a trip.
     
  3. vassy69SC

    vassy69SC Active Member

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    1776cc is ideal
    I know the ute has the 2165, but my wife's 1640 goes well as a cruiser.
    Towing is going to ask a fair amount of the smaller engines, but built well they will be fine.
    Phone Matt Berry and he can talk options to you. 0408 704662
     
  4. ick72

    ick72 New Member

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    It will be mated to the 1800 box I already run . But thanks for the info
     
  5. KahunaKombi

    KahunaKombi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Marcus is right and give Matt a call as he used to service my dual cab mentioned above back in 1993/1995

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  6. Kai

    Kai Well-Known Member

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    Supercharge it! Torque for towing.
     
  7. ick72

    ick72 New Member

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    We are talking vw Kai not a classic Holden ford tourer llol I went and spoke to mike at Cbb and also some points from brad young so have my direction pretty much set now , just need a spare serviceable crank case to start
     
  8. Carter

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    supercharged 2L type 4.... done
     
  9. SunnyJim

    SunnyJim Well-Known Member

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    Josh good to see you still living the dream!
     
  10. ick72

    ick72 New Member

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    is it just me or is a type iv not an upright motor lol
     
  11. Alpal

    Alpal Moderator Staff Member

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    Type 1 upright fan. Beetle & early bus
    Type 4 integral fan. Later bays 1700 to 2000cc

    All are flat 4 engines
     
  12. ick72

    ick72 New Member

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    alpal sorry my point was i want to keep the upright motor and some where not helping with their comments on 2.ol or type iv motors ..
     
  13. KahunaKombi

    KahunaKombi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    There is some confusion abounding re Type 1, 2 & 4 motors - thought there was a thread/post explaining it :wtf:
     
  14. VanAime

    VanAime Active Member

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    It's possible they were suggesting that a type 4 engine might be a better option since they're a much stronger unit in the first place.
     
  15. ian.mezz

    ian.mezz New Member

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  16. KahunaKombi

    KahunaKombi Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Jake Raby gives a breakdown here http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/ - look down the left side panels and see Applications and he breaks down Type1 and Type2 along with the Porsche Type 4.

    I have got strange looks (nothing new here) when I said Type 4 engine for a 73 Kombi to Mick Duffy (Mick Motors Northgate Qld) but I reiterated a Type2 and all was clear to him then (Mick's been around VW's for decades).

    I have also seen people with a Type1 upright say they have bult it up as a Type4 - ok so they seem to put heads similar to a Porsche 914 (spark plugs in different position and valve changes) but it still looks like a Type1 engine - they may put the Porsche fan shroud on it also.

    I do not claim to know the answer to the exact difference but am sure Damo (66deluxe) or some other engine guru can shed more light on it.

    I've searched the forum and here at home and cannot find the information the Kombi Guardian provided to me a few yrs back.
     
  17. Carter

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    Someone with the right idea - hallelujah
     
  18. Carter

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    sorry I should have clarified my 'help' - type 4 with upright conversion

    your comment about "we are talking a VW here" should have given me that hint
     
  19. Carter

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    Thanks Paul - have been following SunnyJim's process - always an excellent read
     
  20. vassy69SC

    vassy69SC Active Member

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    Unless you want to go turbo and 800hp then I am yet to see the point of the Type 4 compared to a Type 1
    The parts are double the price for Type 4 generally.
    My 2c
     

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