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Saab Seats

Discussion in 'T3 & T4 Tech Help Clinic' started by beastieboy, Apr 26, 2017.

  1. beastieboy

    beastieboy Active Member

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    Not a huge lot of info online about this, so thought I'll take some pics for people in future who search for this mod. Add a bit of info to what's already out there...

    Few Pics here on the Vw seat lock mechanism and what goes on when you lift the handle to adjust your seat.

    https://ibb.co/j84uT5
    https://ibb.co/hD6mak
    https://ibb.co/d2KTo5
    https://ibb.co/ftjTo5

    Couple of welded seat mount measurements for consideration...

    https://ibb.co/bwPNFk
    https://ibb.co/dvOGak

    Sabb seat measurements...

    https://ibb.co/i6ttMQ
    https://ibb.co/kcwr85

    Pic of how the Saab seat looks generally sat on the rails and evenly spaced so you can see the difference and what to overcome...

    https://ibb.co/gBea1Q

    A custom mount now has me thinking of sliding a square length of metal inside the centre of the original VW welded mounts. Drill holes on the sides of the metal length, so you can slide bolts in, to lock it in place (so the metal won't slide back and forth like the original vw mechanism except it's fixed permanently). It also then can't jump out the rail (upwards).
    Then probably have to work out the most solid, stable and safe way to mount a plate to it, or maybe an attachment to connect the inside edges as it sits nice and flush with the mount edge.
    If you could mount a plate, you could then bolt on any seat you like to it and use the seats original running gear to move it into position wherever comfortable...

    Cost wise though and another option. For the price of hunting down a second pair of seats for the original rails to drill out, I could buy the whole Saab car, and just put the seats back in and actually just have the entire Saab feel haha!
    Easier option really if you want to sit in a Saab seat at the end of the day isn't it!?
    Vw seats seem hard to find as it is! Custom rail job would be cheaper and maybe easier though to complete the seat swap. Weigh it up.... and add the thought of safety to this. Becoming a crash test dummy before you do this is definitely something to consider also.
    Maybe a few years back when Saab cars were worth a few grand it would be worth it, but if they are throwing them out for $500 the cost is about the same to own the car Vs the mod. :p
    Still thinking about buying Saab....

    This is impressive though...



     
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  2. beastieboy

    beastieboy Active Member

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    Let's make a seat mod more fun.:eek:
    More stuff about crash test dummies...
    (Very cool video worth watching!):cool:
     
  3. Barry

    Barry Well-Known Member

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    There are VW swivel bases out there.
    I have a set. They have Recaro rails on them.
    When they are welded in they sit on top of the original rail and you can slide an original seat in once you have taken the top part off.
    Only issue is you do loose some of the storeage space under the seat
     
  4. Kai

    Kai Well-Known Member

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    you're lucky you're not sitting on bay seats. t3 seats are an upgrade for us!
     
  5. beastieboy

    beastieboy Active Member

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    Swivel base is probably best foundation.
    Until I find rails, not happening.
    No point in ruining perfectly good seats drilling into the base metal.
    This thread is on back burner while I'm looking about.
    Cheers for all input.
     
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  6. David H

    David H Well-Known Member

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    Waiting.........Waiting...........waiting.......... on the side lines.....with interest!!!:rolleyes:
    Cheers
     
  7. beastieboy

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    I heard about this the other day....
    Interesting so thought I would post it up for a read......

    News release - Stephen Mullighan
    Conditional registration to be more flexible and accessible for historic vehicles
    Stephen Mullighan December 18, 2016

    The State Government is removing red tape to allow more classic car lovers to enjoy their hobby out on the road.

    Widespread changes to the conditional registration scheme are being considered to remove restrictions currently preventing thousands of car club members from accessing limited 90 day registration scheme.

    Under current laws, historic vehicles are not allowed to be significantly modified from their original design to any significant extent, meaning even slight modifications, such as a CD player or air conditioner, can prevent them from using the scheme.

    The same restriction also prevents historic left-hand drive vehicles which have had safety upgrades, such as better braking systems, from taking to the roads.

    The State Government will begin formal consultation with key stakeholders such as car clubs on the changes which include:

    • Providing flexibility to allow owners to improve the ride, handling and safety of these classic vehicles, as well cosmetic enhancements
    • Moving away from a fixed cut-off manufacture date of 1979 to a rolling 30-year vehicle age
    • Removing bureaucratic requirements for motoring clubs to undertake vehicle inspections, reducing the administrative burden on these groups
    • Reducing limitations which ban left-hand drive vehicles with safety improvements such updated braking systems
    • Making the scheme more nationally consistent
    This is another example of the State Government’s commitment to reducing red tape recently announced in the Simplify Day reforms.

    Background

    Conditional registration was introduced in 1992 and allows historic, left-hand and street rod vehicles to be driven on public roads for up to 90 days a year.

    The $87 cost does not include a registration component but covers Compulsory Third Party insurance, the Emergency Services and Lifetime Support levies, and other administrative charges.

    Currently the vehicles cannot be significantly modified from their original design but the amendments to the scheme will allow access to the scheme for a broader number of late model classics and modified classic cars.

    Vehicles with major modifications such as engine upgrades or major structural changes will still be required to undergo safety inspections and obtain relevant approvals to gain access to the road network.

    Following the consultation, legislative changes are expected to be finalised to start from July 1, 2017.

    Quotes attributable to Transport and Infrastructure Minister Stephen Mullighan

    South Australia has a thriving motoring culture with hundreds of classic cars out on the road every weekend but our restrictive laws prevent too many of these historic vehicles from being driven.

    The current laws can even prevent car owners from making safety improvements to their vehicles, because any modifications would force them off the road and into the garage.

    These common sense changes will remove the red tape which prevents thousands of car lovers from enjoying their hobby.

    They will also reduce the bureaucratic impost on car clubs, which are more often than not run by volunteers, freeing up more time to spend in their vehicles.

    Thousands of previously unused vehicles are expected to join the scheme which will also support tourism events such as car runs, shows and concourse displays.

    Quotes attributable to Street Machine Association of South Australia Spokesman Glenn Stankevicius

    Our committee, members and affiliated clubs are very excited to see these changes to conditional registration. Allowing these changes will mean a lot more cars out at events around the state, boosting local economies.

    We expect to see some cars back out on the road more regularly as most owners currently either elect to not register, and just store, their cars, or only register for 3 months at a time and store for the rest of the year.

    It will also have a flow-on effect to local car businesses such as panel beaters, painters, motor trimmers, car recyclers, engine builders, detailers, tyre shops and many more as people prepare to get their cars roadworthy to qualify for the scheme.

    SMASA would like to thank everyone involved and looks forward to growing our ‘all makes, all eras, all welcome’ policy.

    Quotes attributable to Federation of Historic Motoring Clubs of SA

    In the early 1990s, the Federation worked in conjunction with Government to bring about the Conditional Historic Vehicle Registration – a scheme which is the envy of the other States and has helped to nurture, grow and maintain the interest in historic vehicles in this State.

    The Federation recognises there is scope for change and looks forward to continuing the working relationship with the Government to further grow the restoration and preservation of this State’s diverse collection of historic vehicles – South Australia’s unique mobile heritage.

    Quotes attributable to Sporting Car Club of South Australia General Manager Deborah Briggs

    Our car club has the most vehicles - more than 1300 - currently operating under the conditional registration scheme and we welcome this formal consultation.

    Any move by the Government to simplify red tape and encourage greater safety in our road vehicles has to be endorsed.
     
  8. saabman

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    Sounds like some states at least are trying to do something positive.

    The whole saab seat feel got me sucked in again with a 1999 9-5 wagon joining my fleet last week and another one for parts to be collected this week so consideration is been given to working on the saab seats in kombis will be on my agenda...
     
  9. syncro

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    Here's a brilliant movie about a Saab enthusiast.

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    Is this typical for Saab people?
     
  10. saabman

    saabman Well-Known Member

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    Yep - some would say I'm a grumpy old bugger but at least Ove owned a REAL SAAB, I've only got GM imitations
     
  11. beastieboy

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    Hahah! Classic!
     
  12. beastieboy

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    So...
    You lot are probably wondering what went on here? (maybe not ha!)
    Funny story.
    I got the seats. Said to the missus, I like this Saab and should probably go back and buy it. She says I don't need another car. She is right. Was 6 in the driveway already. Wise woman.
    A week passed. She had to visit a sick relative interstate for a few days. As she's walking out the door to catch the plane, I said have a nice trip and send my regards... And by the way, don't be surprised if you find another car in the driveway when you get home :)
    Off she goes.
    Off I go and buy the car.
    Comes back on a tow truck and dropped off at my place. I had a VT commodore wagon I put out the front for sale the same day. Sold that in a fortnight so the number of cars is the same ha! Missus was quite impressed at the quick sale and really liked the new addition. However... Lots of little problems. Like put it in drive and it's in neutral. Suspension banging and knocking. Blowing smoke to name a few.
    Anyways, done this thing up. Tuned the ecu. Befriended a new European car specialist by drinking lots of beer. Found a car Tuner who ramped it up to 18psi and did a boost control conversion. Spent close to $5000 on it by now but alot of upgrades as I fixed it. Bigger rear ARB, 3inch downpipe, improved steering rack 3 point brace. The list goes on. Fantastic. Love it. I overtake trucks starting at 110kmph on country runs. By the time I've pulled out, accelerate and got past the truck I'm hitting near 200kmph pulling back in. Wound this thing up to 18psi and its fun. Proper sleeper style. Guess you could say that's safe as I'm not in the right hand lane long. The thing just takes off. Yet to do the tdo4 conversion. Turbo blowing smoke was probably a seal and as it had been sat around the oil was in the pipe. A good drive and change the oil to semi synth instead of full synth patched it up. Still going hard 2 years later. Gearbox issue was the cable bush. $50 fixed that. Suspension knock was a loose gland nut. Took it to peddlers for a safety check for $60 and the guy fixed it. Report was good as well. Lots of little tweaks got it through. Loving it. Mechanic reckons it's one of the best he's seen.
    Anyways, I picked up 2 more seats as the originals went back in the car. Got some seats from a 9000 with decent leather. Have not trial fitted them yet, but they are stored in the van. This thread actually turned into a very fun distraction and a bloody good bargain buy!
    As I get back into T3 mode (soon) I'll probably return here to this thread. Driving the van now is sloooow, but feels casual and cruisy compared to the hectic Swede. Maybe one day I'll get it to this stage as it's showing potential and I've done about half the ground work in upgrades for it.


    Fingers crossed the energy and funds the other car got can be channelled into the T3.
    I do have a spare turbo though. Anyone fitted one to a T3 (petrol)?
     
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  13. t3 Ed

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    Hey Beastieboy, a bloke in the states has done the turbo from a Saab to a T3 conversion. Took the whole injection system with the turbo to make it work. Can't remember his name just now. Thought that that where this thread was going for a second.
     
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  14. Barry

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    Steve Carter had a turbo on a WBX 2.1 but it was in a 1302 beetle.

    You can get the story on Club Ver Dub site
     
  15. kimosabi

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    Good entertainment this thread... I have no problems grinding the tracks off my T3 seat "box". Not interested in a swivel base ( it add's to the seat height) but still keen to see if this conversion works.
     
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  16. beastieboy

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    Yeah, grinding the tracks is easy. Deciding to do it or not isn't for me. For a start, I'm good at lots of things. Welding isn't one of them. For sure the seat could be done. Get yourself some seats and have a look if you've already ground them.
    The turbo sounds appealing. I've got one spare in the shed. More info on this for a casual read would be good. I can get the fuel rail easy. Saab is easy. T3 is a hassle. I raid the wreckers alot. I used to work at one. Never had a T3 arrive otherwise I would have bought the whole wreck. When I got the Saab we had a wreck already there. I stripped it in the first week.
    Unfortunately due to a stupid injury at home that left me unable to walk for 3months I lost my job there. Still have my friends and contacts though so no complaints. I'm raiding often. Wreckers is my thing. Thats what sucks with the T3 where I am. Something breaks or goes wrong, I loose 2-3 weeks rego waiting for a part in the mail and it's stuck in the driveway. It's a difficult vehicle. I think it's one of the hardest to maintain. If people thought Saab was too left field to deal with and too euro, wow, I actually think they're a walk in the park comparison. They seem to give back so much more if you treat them well.
    The van... Throw $1000 at it, stand back and think... Well... That didn't do much.
    I love the T3. Mine runs well. But getting to the point of not driving it much because it is working and I want to keep it that way. Becoming the cool car you just leave in the shed and work on.
     
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  17. beastieboy

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    Just to add and back on topic of the seats. From memory, the last measurements I took, were looking like the width at the seat hinges were the same as the Saab. So it might just be a matter of dropping the cushions into the original seat and not touching the runners at all. I'll get back around to checking this with the 9000 seats I've got when I get some time.
     
  18. Grantus

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    I’ve got an 06 9-3 SAAB in the driveway, one owner since new, that’s the wife’s daily, and I tend to use it on hot days, as the aircon is nice, but it has a “terminal prognosis” :(.

    Timing chain is a little noisy at startup, and I’m not prepared to put the $4,800 ++ dollars into a 13 year old vehicle again to rectify it, (did that 4 years ago, which is why it’s still here), so it’s just a matter of time before the inevitable internal mass destruction of the engine happens. :eek:


    I’ve loosened the number plate screws front and rear, in case I have to take the plates off on the side of the road, and say goodbye! :D
     
  19. beastieboy

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    You're not drinking enough beers with your mechanic.
    06. I like 98-02 models. The shape is great. After this they started getting rounder and a bit more commodore looking in style.
    Sorry to hear that. New used motor would be cheaper to drop in wouldn't it? You could probably buy another whole car for $4800
     
  20. beastieboy

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    Is yours the biofuel model? Drop some E85 in it and send it on its way in style with the boost wound up.
     

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