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T3 Pop Top's

Discussion in 'T3 & T4 Tech Help Clinic' started by Whitie, Jun 10, 2010.

  1. Whitie

    Whitie Well-Known Member

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    I just wanted to share that I spoke to a Sydney company Nose Cone Conversons today who has the poptop moulds for the T3's and are willing to supply.
    A bit exxy though, for $2000 you get the fibreglass roof and sills, you do need find you're own canvas and install, etc.
    So for the camper converters, T3 poptops are still available, for the eager, but at a cost.
    I suppose the question is, if you do convert to a poptop wether you need to get a blue slip after installing for NSW rego.
    Tony
     
  2. Kombi Dad

    Kombi Dad Well-Known Member

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    You certainly will need a blue slip. My pop top was done in 1982 when the van was new. It was registered in ACT until I purchased it in 1998. When registering it in NSW I had to get an engineer's certificate for the pop top, rear seat and the rear seat belts.

    Ian
     
  3. Whitie

    Whitie Well-Known Member

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    Cheers Kombi Dad,
    Ill keep your advise in mind if I end up converting a Caravelle to a camper.
    Tony
     
  4. Syncro27

    Syncro27 Well-Known Member

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    I did mine through Discoverer about 18 months ago who were then owned by Tysons - roof made by Nose Cone. It took Tysons nearly 3 months to finish the job.

    They (Nose Cone) stuffed up the elevating part and it sagged yet Tysons went bankrupt so with the help of Department of Fair Trading - I got paid the cheapest quote to fix it and get the engineers cert done.

    I then booked in Discoverer Campers through its new Owner Chris Whitton to do the repair work (Chris also worked for Tysons) but he went bankrupt before the roof was re-made.

    Hence, I went direct to Nose Cone who re-made the roof (in primer) and let it cure sufficiently, had it delivered to the painter that Tysons used and had it colour matched to the syncro.

    I hired a removals truck and picked up the roof then drove up to Macron Campers (Ourimbah) to have it fitted (the only guy that I could find that could do it with skill and confidence). Macron took the dodgy elevating secion off and tried to fit the new roof but with all the extra strengthening used - huse side gussets, it would not close - not even close.

    I rang Nose cone and they agreed to pick it up, cut out the reinforcing they did, change it all to suit the Macron specs, re-flowcoat the base after a couple of layers of "450 & 600 fibre glass" were installed and let it cure in the mould again before delivering it back to Macron.

    Macron fitted it again, replaced the canvas and elevating headliner and light then I finally had my pop-top roof finished after 18 months of stress.

    At least Nose Cone not only have the mould but actually know how to make the roof using the right reinforcement, fibreglass layers and inner layout which they got all wrong twice.

    I am now very happy with my new roof and it is very strong.

    If you do a conversion, you will not only need the fibreglass sections, you will need the "X-arms" (3 of - the two side ones are stronger than the rear) which are still available from Suncamper in Hornsby area (about $350 a set), you will need a trimmer to make the canvass, you will need a new headliner fitted and a strip of "pinchweld" (the black rubber seal type stuff that goes around the elevating section.

    You will need someone to fit it and then someone to engineer it.

    I am currently re-building my internal cupboards for the fridge and will fit my removalble stove etc so taht I can get it complianced as a "motorhome" to save on rego bills. Then I will book in for a Kevin Humphrey (Lakesedge Engineering) engineers inspection and the job will be finally complete.

    You dont actually need it to be engineered if you arent worried about insurance or ever intend to sell it.

    But worth it in my opinion.

    Cheers,
     
  5. MY74VW

    MY74VW Member

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    Hey Syncro 27 did you get any photo's of the conversion as it took place? Also can you tell me the price of the roof without fitting etc.

    Thanks
    Paul
     
  6. Syncro27

    Syncro27 Well-Known Member

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    Paul,

    I only got a couple - not enough to pictorily show the conversion as I live @ Terrigal (Central Coast) and Discoverer were in Revesby (Sydney 2 & 3/4 hours away in good traffic).

    Discoverer under Tysons fitted a special flexible alloy seam around the cut after coating the edge in POR15. The only thing that misses the seam is the central cut cross member.

    They did a heap of pencil marking before cutting and many refernce points before fitting the roof.

    It really is a specialised job. I wouldnt try it with a new roof - maybe an old roof which has been profiled (ie specifically cut down to the exact shape of the roof). They used a heap of Sikaflex between the fibreglass and the original metal roof too. I cant see this rof ever leaking and it has already been drive through a hail storm and torenntial rain without leaking and that was without the canvass installed (which aprently adds to the sea).

    I will try and dig up what photos I can find.

    Cheers,
     
  7. vannin

    vannin Member

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    Is yours blue? I think I saw it while Brett was working on my "A frame" seat for the T4.
    Nice bit of gear:cool:
    Nik
     
  8. Syncro27

    Syncro27 Well-Known Member

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    Nik,

    Yep sure is. Brett did a great job on mine - I couldnt fault him - unlike the other idiots I have dealt with over the last 18 months. If I only knew now back then things would have gone a lot smoother.....
     
  9. Konrad

    Konrad New Member

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    Tysons / Discoverer campers

    Yes, as per Syncro 27, I got caught up with Tysons / Allvans / Discoverer campers under the "management" of one Chris Whitton doing an internal fitout of my T5. Took a long time, had to take it back, they still owe me money for work not ordered by me but installed by them and now it turns out that they have given me someone elses' spare wheel...... don't ask me how I found that out!

    Chris Whitton is the most dishonest bullsh*t artist operator out there, but his tradesmaen were good at their jobs. My advice to anyone getting poptops, conversions, seating, etc is to first check out the company, if Chris Whitton has anything to do with it, go somewhere else.
     
  10. Syncro27

    Syncro27 Well-Known Member

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    Konrad,

    I couldnt agree more. Chris seemed like such a good bloke at times (when he wants your business) but I found that if I really wanted to talk to him after 35 non returned phone calls, I would actually front up and get in his way. I must be a bit imposing as he always told me what I wanted to hear but still enever really did anything.

    At least he got my ball rolling with Nose Cone. Note the main guy who deals with the T3 roof's at Nose Cone is named Marc .... and he was also a former Tysons employee.

    Honestly, Mr Whitton has made that many enemies that he would need to walk around with eyes in the back of his head from what I heard. I got off very lightly - his crap only cost me about $800.00 (plus 18 months of my life) but others had outlayed $1000's which they will never see again.

    As you say Konrad, steer very clear of Chris Whitton. Chris is very obvious - he will be the bloke spewing bullshit out everywhere to anyone that will listen.
     
  11. Whitie

    Whitie Well-Known Member

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    Interesting,
    Thanks for sharing your experiences Syncro, I may have spoken to some of these characters.

    Could have easily gone down the same road unaware of the dodgy people I would be dealing with untill its past the point of no return.
    Thanks to you Syncro & KC Im now more the wiser. This is whats so great about forums like KC, we can share our good and not so good experiences.

    It maybe well worth concidering buying a T3 already with a poptop and avoid the hassel's.
    mmmm ........yep,I think that is what Ill do.:rolleyes:

    Cheers
    Tony
     
  12. Syncro27

    Syncro27 Well-Known Member

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    There is plenty of good T3 pop top coverted campers around. So you shouldnt have a problem.

    However, if you do want to do yours you wont have a problem if you use Nose Cone and Macron Campers. Nose Cone seemed to have worked out their glass design and reinforcing now and Macron have always been excellent. Chris Whitton will never work from Macron or any reputable conversion company as his name is well known in that industry.

    I just wish I had Macron do mine from the start - I would have had no issues at all (apart from the Nose Cone roof supply problem of course).

    At least you now know what your up for.

    Cheers,
     

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