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URGENT!!! 240v advice needed

Discussion in 'Kombi Club' started by emby, Oct 7, 2012.

  1. oldman

    oldman Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Thanks Neil, i suppose the issue is the apparent lack of clarity, state to state of what is legislated & where.
    I know folks'll cringe at this suggestion but if the electrical compliance was regulated at Registration Inspection level AND consistent throughout Australia, we'd all know exactly where we stand with our Campers.
    Cheers, Mark
     
  2. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    Who would do the checking?

    Would you like your building work checked by a mechanic? They do enough damage with 12v stuff.
     
  3. oldman

    oldman Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I think one solution would be that the electrics be inspected/tested by a licenced Electrician, a certificate/note of compliance issued & be submitted along with the Pink Slip for Rego.
    Yeah,yeah, I know.....not the same in all States but if it WAS this way the issue would be less clouded.....

    Would you like your building work checked by a mechanic? They do enough damage with 12v stuff. WTF.......?

    Cheers, Mark
     
  4. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    The old system was a good system. A compliance sticker on the window. Similar to gas compliance. No sticker, leave the park.
     
  5. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    This may be a cheap and simple solution for $69 from Total Tools.

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    10 amp circuit breaker, RCBO and double pole switching. It may be legal and compliant with AS3001.
     
  6. leithbro

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    That's what I would have used... Wouldn't camp grounds which supply power be required to have rcd protection in their outlets anyway?
     
  7. oldman

    oldman Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Hey Mark, yes they do as included is AS 3001.

    The old system was a good system. A compliance sticker on the window. Similar to gas compliance. No sticker, leave the park.
    Agree 100%

    Cheers, Mark
     
  8. emby

    emby Active Member

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    I agree that legislation and compliance should be clearer but, what if you have the compliance plate for an original installation and then, at a later date the owner of the vehicle decides to add a point on their own?

    In this kind of instance you may be better off having a testing and tagging regime similar to electrical appliances in the workplace. I know this would be a bind but at least both the "supplier" of the power (campsite, etc) would know that the installation was tested recently.

    I guess there's no way this would become national legislation though until regulation was demanded by too many "accidents" or incidents.
     
  9. Alpal

    Alpal Moderator Staff Member

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    Would you buy something from a Total Tool???
     
  10. cbus

    cbus Well-Known Member

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    Often do.

    Even if the names different:(
     
  11. oldman

    oldman Super Moderator Staff Member

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    :lol: "Total Tools".........there's a thread in that .......cheers, Mark
     
  12. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    Aussieveedubbers forum.
     
  13. oldman

    oldman Super Moderator Staff Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
  14. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    Now this one looks even more legaler!

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    http://www.merlindistribution.com.au/product range-portable RCDs-PSP10, PSP15.html

    Available in both 10 AMP ( PSP10) & 15 AMP (PSP15)
    POWERKING™ SAFEGUARD PORTABLE POWER STATION
    AS/NZS 3190:2002 approved and AS/NZS 3012 compliant: Suitable for construction & industrial sites)
    Combining residual current protection with overload and short circuit protection, the built in RCBO (Residual Current Circuit Breaker with Overload) on each unit is designed to protect against electrocution while also protecting valuable electronic equipment.
    Tested and approved against AS/NZS 3190:2002, these products are approved for use on construction, demolition and industrial sites.
    ~ Residual Current Circuit Protection – Detects current leakage and protects against electrocution
    ~ Localised Overload and Short Circuit Protection – Protects connected devices in the event of an overload, short circuit or damage to the power lead
    ~ 4 outlets (2 x double pole shuttered power points) with individual ON/OFF switches
    ~ AS/NZS 3190:2002 approved and AS/NZS 3012 compliant – suitable for construction sites, industrial sites, demolition sites and workshops
    ~ 15A model features wide blade earth pin and apertures, for heavy duty 15A devices. Also ideal for campervans and caravans
    ~ Safety test button for added safety – RCBO can be quickly and easily tested before each use to ensure it is properly functioning
    ~ Robust heavy duty construction – Bright orange and highly visible casing for added safety on worksites
    ~ 1.8m extra heavy duty 1.5mm2 lead (both 10A and 15A models) – with cable clip for tidy storage
    ~ Clear plug cover – for safe wiring inspection
    ~ IP33 weatherproof rating
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2012
  15. Alpal

    Alpal Moderator Staff Member

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    Need JD to assess. Including the word "legaler"!
     
  16. Alpal

    Alpal Moderator Staff Member

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    Need JD to assess. Including the word "legaler"!
     
  17. t4camper

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    Not sure about "legaler", as a word.
    Am certain the it is not IP33 rated as claimed.
    Second Digit (Liquids) Protected against water spray < 60 degrees from vertical.

    If the photo is correct, the rating is not IP33, also the claim to be compliant with AS/NZS 3190:2002 is two editions and 9 years out of date.

    That style of product, even the one pictured is a lot better than not using a Safety Switch protected outlet, just keep that one dry.
    Caravan parks are only required to install Safety Switches if they upgrade the electrical system.
    There are still a lot of mushroom heads that do not have Safety Switch protection.

    Neil
     
  18. syncro

    syncro Well-Known Member

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    It's about the legalest solution that I have seen without having permanent wiring installed. With a bit of common sense this would be perfectly safe. The cable does not appear to comply with AS3001 as it is shorter that 10m (if that really matters).
     
  19. VeeWee

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    Ok, so the pretty-bright-orange-box gets connected to the mushroom, stays outside the van, and the van is connected to the pretty-bright-orange-box by a 15A lead (also colour co-ordinated orange in my case, btw!). So the best & safest way to keep said pretty-bright-orange-box dry in the Victorian weather is to......??
     
  20. leithbro

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    put it in the engine bay, or use it inside the bus, just plug it into the outlets, and everything you want to use into the box, or you plug it into the wall socket you're drawing from and run an extension lead off the rcd to the bus
     
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